Okay....everyone seems to be saying the same thing in this thread that gets repeated ad nauseum, but I'd like to respond concerning the players and teams you mentioned. Not calling you out or anything....just calling it as I see it. First off, who we're trying to dump: Cuttino Mobley and Eddie Griffin are not scrubs. Cat is far from a bad player....he's amongst the top 2's in the NBA. He's not elite, but he's certainly "up there." EG still has enough potential that teams would be plenty interested in him, caught with weed or not. Not to mention that both of them are cheap as hell, especially Cuttino. Both of these guys' trade values are HUGE, especially to teams like the Clippers and Hawks. Personally, I like them both and I'd feel guilty about sending them to either team, but you do what you've got to do. Glen Rice. Older and relatively fragile veteran. With a ring. Who can shoot lights out. Who is a veteran leader. Who has a contract that is soon to expire. Plenty of teams will at least be interested in him. Kelvin Cato has had a career year. Yeah, he's still over-paid, but his trade value has never been higher. If this was 10 years ago, no way we could get rid of him with his contract. But this is not 10 years ago. A rookie is the second best center in the NBA. Cato has value, and its never been higher. Moochie. A scrub with great hair. He can be incredibly clutch at times, but that's really all he's got going for him, especilly with his contract. But he's got that hair, so who knows. We could probably trade him to Atlanta for some cheese whiz if his contract wasn't so ridiculous. Of the guys you mentioned, only KG and VC are more or less untouchable. The others can be had, and here's why: Gary Payton: Like someone said, Payton is unstable, and while he is a great talent, he was seen as more and more of a detriment to the Seattle locker room than anything. His contract is nearly up, and while he is still more than capable, he's not getting any younger. Combine all of that with the fact that GP and Sam Cassell both play the same position, which could lead to friction, and the Bucks might look to move him for someone who compliments the team better. Thing is, we don't need him. We already have him in Francis. SAR and Jason Terry: What's so great about either of these guys that Atlanta, who is blowing up their roster anyway, wouldn't entertain offers of Cuttino and/or EG for them? I don't think SAR is the answer, and I can't remember Terry's numbers off the top of my head....but I might accept this trade, depending on their salaries, and depending on whether or not Terry looks to pass first. A line up of 1) Terry 2) Francis 3) Posey 4) SAR and 5) Yao sounds pretty damn good to me if....I can't remember--->what were the arguments against SAR? I remember that the argument against him had me convinced. Elton Brand, Andre Miller, and Corey Maggette: Are you kidding me? These dudes are going to bolt faster than you can imagine. No one wants to play for the Clippers, and I certainly can't say that I blame them. People say that Miller isn't a winner, but he has winners numbers AND the only damn teams he's played with are the Clippers and the Cavs. Can you blame the guy for being depressed? I'd do anything to get these guys, short of trading Yao and Steve. I might even give up Francis in a trade for those two, but only in a trade for those two. Well, I'd seriously have to think about it, anyway. As for Maggette, I honestly don't know much about him. His numbers are certainly worse than Cuttino's, so I don't know what's the point. Why we can get them: The Clipper's KNOW these guys are good as gone, and they may be willing to do a bad deal just to get some cheap contracts. Virtually nothing that team does surprises me. Not one bit. They're gonna lose Kandi, too. And they know it. Everybody knows it. I can't believe the NBA even allows Donald Sterling to own a team. The only reason they wouldn't take Cato, for example, is so they wouldn't have to pay him. Vince Carter: No way. I'll stick with Francis, thank you very much. Besides, I think fans will give him another year to prove himself, and I'm sure the Raptors organization will. VC is the only reason there is still an NBA team in Canada. They won't let him go that easily. I'm not saying that these teams will deal these players for EG and Cuttino, but I would hesitate to think it unlikely or unreasonable except in the case of KG and VC. Atlanta is blowing up their roster, so who knows who they'll want to build around or who they'll want to deal. The Clipper's are a pathetic joke of a team whose players will run away faster than Michael Moore eats a cheeseburger. They'll be willing to deal simply because they KNOW that, and by not dealing and waiting for all their players to run they'll have to convince free agents to sign, which ain't gonna happen. Crap I've been writing this for WAAAAAAY too long......I don't know what the answers are, but I believe that most of the guys you mentioned can be had. We can b**** all we want, but we are so close to greatness. Give us a tough 4 and a pass-first 1 and look out, man. Okay, I've rambled enough.
LOL yes you wrote way too long. Sane's post was the best. But I think that VC is NOT untouchable. Yesterday...at the game...the owner spoke to the home crowd and seemed pissed. He said that it would not happen again. That means Lenny is gone or Vince is gone. They were trying to find some offers this season. His injuries have cost him. He gets injured way too much and is unreliable But still...many teams still want him because he is talented and MARKETING. I would like to get him.
Originally posted by drapg Why do so many posters around here think almost every single NBA star or superstar can be had for the measly sum of Cuttino Mobley and Eddie Griffin in a trade? (Some of you are kind enough to throw in Glen Rice, Moochie Norris, or Kelvin Cato as well). Do you people really think that other GMs are salivating over trading away cornerstones of their franchises for these guys? Apparently guys like Garnett, Payton, Abdur-Rahim, Terry, Brand, Miller, Maggette, Carter are available for a song, huh? I know this board consists mostly of homers, but how about a healthy dose of reality? Wow, it feels good to get that off my chest. Trades : YAO MIING FOR MICHEAL JORDAN EDDIE GRIFFIN FOR JASON KIDD JASON COLLIER FOR TIM DUNCAN MOOCHIE NORRIS FOR A BUDLIGHT JUANIC HAWKINS FOR A USED TAMPON LMAO!!
Does anyone else think that the Rockets can get Tony Parker, if the Spurs get Kidd? He's a great young PG, and could possible eclipse Kidd with time. Dreaming, I know...
Lenny is as good as gone and VC is far from done. VC is the only reason Canada still has an NBA team. They won't give up on him that easily unless they get a player of the same caliber in return, which isn't likely to happen.
