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Happy Food Stamp Cut Day to Conservatives and Libertarians

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Nov 1, 2013.

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    The trend started under Reagan, but nice try.
     
    #101 GladiatoRowdy, Nov 3, 2013
  2. glynch

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    Having represented thousands of such folks I can tell you that it will hurt. Of course many of my folks are too poor for even bankruptcy. You might want to seek out info on this besides Fox or conservative media.

    We just had another thread about obesity and poor folks. Most likely you probably want them to eat only rice and beans as a punishment for being disabled or having young kids without a lot of income, or only minimum wage jobs. or no car or living only walking distance to fast food stores or over priced corner stores that stock few cheap nutritious foods or living in broken down trailer homes in similarly situated semi-rural areas.

    Please explain how much "more than enough" they have when buying healthy food.

    Stop being so calm and content about other folk's hunger and poverty.
     
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  3. ling ling

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    Me? If I'm able bodied and mind, I would never accept living off others or the government. I would rather work multiple part time jobs, work 100+ hours a week at minimum wage to support myself and my family. No inheritance or family support or savings needed. Just bare knuckles work.

    Just a note.
    Approximately 50 percent of American households now receive some type of taxpayer-funded government assistance, according to a Wall Street Journal report.

    As for the free ride, you can get the following partial list.

    Feed - food stamps
    Phone - obama phone
    Cigs, alcohol, clothing - cash card
    Disability - mysterious physical problem that doesn't allow me to flip burgers.
    Housing - section 8
    Health care - Medicaid
    Education - free for K-12. If you want to go to college, It's also a free ride for the poor.
    Have more kids, get more support.
     
    #103 ling ling, Nov 3, 2013
  4. TheRealist137

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    how would you have any time to take care of your child if you work 100+ hours a week.
     
    #104 TheRealist137, Nov 3, 2013
  5. Refman

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    You are making a lot of assumptions about me that are stupid, silly and flat wrong.

    My tv is never tuned to Fox News. I generally get my news from multiple sources (CNN, BBC and the net) and then (gasp) draw my own conclusions.

    I am not content to see people go hungry. However, I know from first hand experience that you can feed a family of four on $600 per month. Hell, when my business was failing and I was not drawing an income, our grocery store expenditures for me, Refgal and two teenagers was about $100 per week (and it wasn't rice and beans). Were we careful about what we bought? Absolutely. Did anybody go without? Absolutely not.

    As a result, a reduction in food stamps that results in a family of four getting $600 per month just doesn't cause me concern. That is more than enough to provide for groceries. That is the goal of the food stamp program, to make sure people can buy an assortment of nutritious food. It isn't too much to ask that they be as careful as I was when I had to budget closely for food.
     
    #105 Refman, Nov 3, 2013
  6. ling ling

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    CEOs, business owners, self motivated people can do it. Having a wife that can take care of the home while I'm outside working helps.
     
    #106 ling ling, Nov 3, 2013
  7. glynch

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    Agreed the Fox News comment was ridiculous and out of order. Just because your comment was of the type the consumers of it are wont to make.

    Did you do it without a car?
    or without a working car?
    did you live several miles from a bus line?
    did you do it without electricity or the gas or cooking facilities to cooks where you lived?
    did you have a bank account?
    were you behind on payday loans?
    did you live in a broken down trailer 10 miles from a grocery store except for the food at a gas station?
    did you and the gal and kids have any major health problems? including mental health problems?
    did you do it while attending to your sick parents?
    did you do it without a high school diploma?
    did you have to drop out of high school due to a need to work or because
    you were sexually abused at home?
    did you get through without one cent from any relatives or friends.


    It is good you got through a bad time, but don't you think many folks who were laid off or had a small business that failed did not have your otherwise luck or resources?
     
    #107 glynch, Nov 3, 2013
  8. glynch

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    A good site to get beyond limited personal experience or conventional conservative think tank anecdotes designed to make folks hate taxes for the super wealthy who fund the think tanks.

    Asides from numerous statistics it has voice recordings of poor folks talking about their history and lives.

    thevoicesofpoverty.org
     
    #108 glynch, Nov 3, 2013
  9. Refman

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    All of those are red herrings. The issue at hand is about food stamps to buy food. There are other welfare programs to deal with the other issues.

    As for payday loans and the like, there is no such thing as too poor for bankruptcy. A Chapter 7 is workable for almost anybody. It would get rid of the payday loans, etc. if the debtor is truly indigent, legal aid organizations/law school clinics will provide representation. I know this, because they are very active in the bankruptcy courts in Texas.
     
    #109 Refman, Nov 3, 2013
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    If you walk around in the Tenderloin district in San Francisco during day time, good chance is that you will run into someone who tries to sell you food stamps at a discount. And from what I hear this is quite a widespread situation. A better job is needed to police the system.
     
    #110 RocketForever, Nov 4, 2013
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    Barry aka" Santa Claus" was elected to give out free stuff and destroy this once proud republic known as "America".
     
    #111 esteban, Nov 4, 2013
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    That's what a majority of voters want?

    Over dramatic much?
     
    #112 FranchiseBlade, Nov 4, 2013
  13. glynch

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    They are very relevant. They all explain how a young middle class educated person like yourself with virtually everything else going well can practically efficiently manage $600 food stamps.

    As far as a generic claim that all the other problems I listed can be resolved by other programs. Hunger is a problem that won't wait for months or even years that it takes to get aid social services that might help with some of the problems. Hunger can affect your thinking and motivation and energy all of which are needed to navigate the complicated social service requirements the grudging public requires. Besides the other social service agencies are being cut due to the same conceptions you have.

    The health related problems, for the person trying to manage the stamps i.e taking care of sick parents, kids, or self, with physical or mental problems
    have left millions out in the cold. Perry in Texas is still fighting to keep hundreds of thousands from Medicaid and all those folks are food stamp eligible.


    As far as people never being too poor for bankruptcy you have to be kidding, Let me know all the lawyers who do it for free and stay in business. Legal Aid? They can handle about 10% of the need in Houston. Besides many of the folks who need food stamps are too poor to NEED bankruptcy. I will explain further if you need. Think of folks too poor to get a divorce.

    I have worked both as welfare worker, at a legal aid clinic and in private practice with poor folks many of whom are too poor for bankruptcy. I have never seen programs that will fix your car; help you get miles away to a bus system; move you out of your trailer park and into free housing on a bus route. Also tell me if these agencies if any are being defunded by folks with your perspective.
     
    #113 glynch, Nov 4, 2013
  14. Refman

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    By your metric, to account for all of the contingencies, etc...there is no amount of free money that will cure the problem.

    Tell me, how much is enough? For somebody with your mindset, I imagine it is a fairly astronomical number.
     
    #114 Refman, Nov 4, 2013
  15. glynch

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    Akin to the typical response to an increase in a minimum wage thread of "hey make the minimum wage $1,000 so everyone can be a millionaire."
     
    #115 glynch, Nov 5, 2013
  16. Refman

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    That still isn't an answer. If you are going to broadly state that a certain amount isn't enough, be prepared to opine on what would be enough.
     
    #116 Refman, Nov 5, 2013
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    #117 edwardc, Nov 7, 2013
  18. Refman

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    #118 Refman, Nov 7, 2013
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  19. FranchiseBlade

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    You are correct, and every study done has shown that the abuses are not that wide spread.
     
    #119 FranchiseBlade, Nov 8, 2013
  20. mtbrays

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    It's always a pleasure hearing from you, Refman. The fact that you actually back up your beliefs with logic and not hyperbolic, sensationalist "news" posts is refreshing.
     
    #120 mtbrays, Nov 8, 2013
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