[ClutchFans] Rockets to begin season with Beverley, Asik as starters; Jeremy Lin off bench

What I noticed in the preseason and first game (minus the Jtrue incident) is that Bev was NOT putting full court pressure on the ball. Did I miss something? I don't want Bev to start if he is not going to put 100% effort into on the ball pressure because he doesn't want to pick up fouls and knows that he has to play more minutes.

 

No that isn't true at all. Sample size matters for NBA teams and they aren't equal at all because we still don't know how Bev will play for a full 82 game season as a starter with 30+ minutes a night. People just pretend like there isn't a big question mark there.

 

Seriously if we model Lin like Ginobili, trust me, we're going to be better than what the Spurs have become. Keep him with the 2nd unit.

 

There are a lot of other factors that go into this such as who else was on the court, the level of competition they were facing etc. The fact of the matter is that Lin started all 82 games we made it to the playoffs and we had one of the best offenses in the NBA & Lin and Harden were up for best back court contention so ah not really true at all that they can't play together. And this was without a training camp, without a PNR big, with Lin being less than healthy and being the youngest team in the NBA.

 

however Mchale's eyetest has been proven wrong. recent 2 games both opponents' starting PG has been locked down scored 0. yes, BIG NIL, both, not even a free throw given. so at least in the defensive part, myth is busted.
eye test is not reliable. remember Shane Battier? if Beverley grow up to his size do you think he is a better defender than Shane? NO WAI.

 

I don't get where this myth that bev can lockdown elite pgs arrived from. Opticians are letting Garcia's and carlitos three point assault on OKC create the illusion that Bev even stopped reggie. Reality, 14,18,20 and 17 all coming from 47% shooting by reggie.

You just can't defend elite pgs without lebron. best way to defend them is by countering with what they do best, which is what we do best, the PnR.

Obviously lin can't play good to great all the time and that's when he should be subbed out.


looks like this is a topic that will not die any time soon and we're all just feeding it after midnight.

 

To be fair, it's not as if people were citing sample size last year to claim that Lin would probably fail in his first year as a starter.

Oh wait...

 

No it won't stop, LOL blame Coach Kevin McHale. :grin:

 

^THIS^

 

IMO, the reason why all of us are interested in starting BOTH Omer and Dwight even though their skillsets overlap is exactly why we should try to develop Lin and Harden together. To double the effect, to have another option when one is getting too much defensive attention. And I disagree that players would rather want to play against Bev. Their defensive abilities aren't that far off yet their offense is. Imagine guarding a guy who is known for his super quick first step whose bread and butter is penetration and run n gun. You'd get no break all game long. Plus, I think Lin brings the intangibles and grit as much as Bev. I don't think you give Lins defense enough credit probably owing to his reputation (?). I know the point guard position and organized ball as much as anyone out there and Lins defense, albeit with some holes, is overall quite good and definitely not overshadowed enough by Bevs D as cimpared to the extra options Lin provides on offense. Also, as discussed here many many times, you can stagger Lin and Harden as we would for Dwight and Omer without benching Lin. Finally, we don't have as much offense flow without Lin (our starting pg all last year) as you may think (though it still remains to be seen) but I understand your opinion and obviously McHale and co share that opinion in that they like Bevs game better than Lin's. Question: if you can keep only one player on your team to win the championship irregardless of salary, who would you pick? That's our difference in a nutshell.

 

yep myth busted by another angle. playing ball pressing defense with energy is one thing, playing elite defense and get the result is another.

 

See Lin still gets no credit for his defense, rewatch that 4th quarter last night, he tipped the ball into back court shooter had to force shot from almost mid court, he got on the floor forced a turnover that parsons got the ball and found harden on the other side. last two games 0 points by pg... You can't make this kind of stuff up

of course cp is not going to have 0 points so guess y'all gone say ohhhh I wish bev could have played so he could lockup cp3.

nothing against bev but I feel his defense is overrated playoffs last year this dude Westbrook have him the business with a season ending injury in the second half, if u can recall he didn't even know he was hurt that bad so still played the second half and put up numbers until next day he got that MRI

Reggie Jackson was solid 17/6 and basically got everyone saying he could hold down the thunder they were ok without Westbrook

where is this defense that y'all are talking about the holiday steals were nice! But dude had a bad game, that defense argument is starting to get annoying

 

No Lin is better. Bev is tenacious but his defense is overrated. Can you name me one good point guard that Bev has defended well or got even lose to shutting down? Or one goo point guard that he shut down?

Lin isn't the best defender in he league but he showed last night that he can play great defense. Plus his offensive ceiling is light years above bevy.

With that being said, Bev is still really good and is definitely a luxury to have.

 

I've said this on thread plenty of times Lin is not going to ball hawk that not his game he is more of a react defender, bev defense is good but it's totally different, elite pgs actually like a player playing that ball hawking defense is they trust there handles they can go by that kind of defender because they play so close and can pull up on them easier crops them over etc. u have to have played basketball to know this

 

I still love Bev and his toughness, but everything you said is so TRUE. I don't understand at all how so many people, including the coach want to start him over Lin. It makes me think it is more than just about their games.

I'm glad Bev is on our team though and hope he has a speedy recovery, because our team is better when he plays. I just clearly think it's better for the team that Lin starts and gets most of the minutes.

 

yeah man I'm blk so it's not like I'm basis.

just saying people overrate it I guess they see some aggression and think he is the best defender ever. I would say their defense is equal as of now, Lins is smarter, bevs is more disruptive... when bev starts 82 games and goes up against elite pgs I will be able to reevaluate to see who has the advantage. But my sample size from thunder 6games of playoffs doesn't prove to much to get hype about yet.

 

The fact is that Jeremy Lin played 3 games, played well, and Rockets won. If someone wants to say Beverley is better, he has to show and prove, so at least wait until both are healthy, right?

 

We have so many weapons, just keep him with the 2nd unit. It's only good for the better.

 

As long as Lin is playing aggressive and stopping to be afraid of making mistakes he is our second best offensive player and a great factor in this team. Then he deserves his starting spot.

He should play like in the 2nd half of the last game, being aggressive, always attacking.

 

Yes, Lin is poor man's Tony Parker. All Lin needs is a coach like Popovich who trusts Lin and coaches Lin to improve his skills.