ClutchFans Game Thread: Mavericks @ Rockets 11/1/2013

Perhaps, but I'm pretty mean-spirited to say Morey hits on pgs as if they were hanging out on a street corner. PF's, well not so much (Dorsey was the future???) but Morey hit on Parsons and grabbed Casspi so maybe PF's are the new dinosaurs and 3's are more like 4's now than 2's and 3's are.

This rotation looks clumsy because it is, and I think everyone agrees it will get better so I'm not going to complain about DMo or TJ 'cos the best guys are on the floor as of now.

 

I absolutely love it when people take an active interest in math, but unless one has no real personal point to prove (i.e. not bickering on internet forums), one can find some combination of physical data transformed in such a way that it supports just about any view. If you play around with box score data or even compiled 'advanved statstics', one can arrange them in a sort of fashion that emphasizes one weight over an other, or makes other very relatively marginal.

Morey has said in numerous interviews that defensive metrics still have a long way to go, and that the publically available ones are effectively merely taking up hardware space on servers.

If I remember correctly, there were numerous statsistics showing that Omer was an average at best--even poor-- defender despite the obvious impact he had on the floor last season.

Apologizes to all those who seem like i'm patronizing those with more experience in this area. But we always have those who can't help but run away celebrating with a corner of the puzzle when they haven't bothered to even see if all the pieces are in the box. Chances are the focal point isn't up in one of those corners, either.

 

Look, even I see that Lin can improve his TO's. But majority criticizing him are speaking as if his 6 TO's cost us the game. His 6 TO's came during a period when we took a 20+ point lead.

My point is, it's one thing to suggest he could improve, it's quite another to imply he sucks because he had 6 TO's during a stint where his facilitation helped this team go on a blow out run.

Look at the posts criticizing, and nearly 75-80% were not said in a constructive criticism attitude, but a negative Lin sucks at everything and life tone of voice, and we'll be better when Beverly comes back to really run this offense.

One person even went so far as to suggest we will finally have blow out games when Bev came back, despite the fact THERE WAS A BLOW OUT first half under Lin!

 

Jeez. Everyone sounds uptight and wound up like they're married to each other. Lin made r****ded turnovers, end of story. He's gotta got that crap out as much as possible while still doing the good things. Jesus H. Christ. Would anyone disagree with this? People just want to disagree over anything. Jiminy Cricket~ Do you really think that Lin fans think 6 turnovers is acceptable?! Do you think that is their point? You know darn straight that's not their intention. Stop perpetuating.

Lin's gotta cut those turnovers down as much as possible or produce enough to be worth it. Today, the turnovers happened during a big run for us, so it "may" be acceptable but it won't be the next time. He's gotta cut that out and I have no doubt that that is something he's aware of.

 

Nah, Saudi Arabian royalty, apparently.

 

For someone as progressive as Morey, it seems like he works with the basis of guards, forwards, centers. No matter how blurred the lines become, he seems to believe that all NBA talent can be partioned first and foremost by those 3.

A forward almost always cannot do what characterizes a guard, or what characterizes a center, better than a G or a C, other things equal. There is (obviously) very little overlap between guards and centers, except for the basis of the chracterization of forwards, which kind of bottles down to "not being a guard or a center."

The man's always been great at find rotational pieces, which signals to me that he's very knowledgeable about fits and synchronization. The pool for super star and all-star talent is so much smaller that in a sports highest level, overlap seems to become a common theme.

 

And therein lies the conundrum. People are going to be harsher on Lin and less forgiving, it is what it is. Fighting it only makes it worse. Let Lin's game talk and let's let this go. And it's only the vocal few on this thread who constantly whine about Lin amidst his good performances than get their panties up in a bunch when someone defends Lin. And God forbid someone criticize anyone other than Lin. They're gonna get a hayacking.

 

One day, I hope that Lin is able to play a stretch of basketball for the rockets that allows me to have this level of devotion to a player. 3 weeks, 18 months ago... Dang...

My 2 cents - Lin is a good player, like his aggressiveness, like his improved finishing ability. He still gets into the paint without anything resembling a plan at times... TOs are a clear weakness that he needs to work on

 

Wow.

- I tell you that a 2-1 Assist-TO Ratio is distinctly average and nothing to be particularly proud of. You then proceed to produce a chart that proves my point exactly and act like you just told me off. Is this real life?

- The great playmaking point guards have a 3:1 Assist-TO ratio. Elite passers can maintain a 4:1 Assist-TO ratio throughout a season. Lin needs to make up significant ground before he can call himself one of the great playmakers in the league.

- A 2.5 : 1 Assist TO ratio is 25% better than Lin's 2:1. A 25% disparity isn't massive, but it's significant. What's your point here exactly?

- The fact that a broken down, 39 year old Steve Nash beat out Lin last year doesn't help your argument.

 

spot on

i dont know why suddenly so many article on the media and this board about Lin is only good for bench come from, maybe Morey wanted to unload his contract and get better pieces for the title, so he try to minimize the impact of this "betrayal" and a PR propaganda is in action.

But first two games just prove what have been proven last season: Lin's playmaking skill is much needed by the first team as well, having harden to do everything just wont work. when you have harden playmaking on the top of arc, he cant be the elite scorer at the same time and the team lose more than they gain.

I am glad to see the opening trio ceremony is back today and hope the team stop their reckless experiment that break their chemistry. why fix something not broken? scratch my head.

 

Guys We Won!!!!! Hurray!!! Just Ignore the over zealous Lin Fan guys! No need to stress of over this!

 

Until very recently 2's and 3's were simply swingmen (and still currently dominant), now it's the 5's that are mostly irrelevant but you must have a 4 that pulls down rbs or scores at a good clip.

So far I'm good with Howard playing the 4 for 12-ish minutes and Casspi doing the things he does, but I still think we need a 4 and we'll get something before the trade deadline.

 

LOL 2 more turnovers than assists is not exactly facilitating to a blow out run

the superstars led this team to a blow out run

and the supporting cast equally played their roles

 

fixed

 

I think most can agree here that Lin had a decent game against the mavs and just needs to work harder on his TOs to truly be stellar. Let's all just enjoy the win guys. Season's just started but I'm very optimistic we can get 'round 60+ wins.

 

Lol.
Someone compliments Lin.
A group jumps on the dude.
The dude tries to defend himself with stats.
The group diverts the argument into another lin vs stars.
World explodes.

Don't know why I even read the after game comments. Another win. Going to sleep well tonight.

 

I'm sure this is a troll post. But it's so hilarious I had to quote it.

 

deja vu

 

Scoring point guards will have a lower assist to turnover ratio, because less of their plays are assist attempts