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A place to tell Tim and the Rockets..."Please don't spin this season"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SA Rocket, Apr 15, 2003.

  1. Bay Rock

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    I agree with SA Rocket. I hope the organization accepts this fan feedback.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Yep Leeb, and the last thing the Rockets need is a player who doesn't demand the ball and gets his own on putbacks and back cuts, right?

    :)

    KT only played the role here that Rudy assigned him, I love the way he is playing now, and he surely could have done that here too....

    Coaches must go.

    DD
     
  3. SA Rocket

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    I'm not telling Tim to go in and tell Les how to run his business. That would be career suicide and that's why I said I understand if he can't respond in this thread.

    All I'm asking him to do is to convey to Les(and folks who handle PR)the feelings of a large part of the fan base. And how much more advantageous it would be for them to admit that this team totally underachieved when they had no legitimate excuses to do so. That way we wouldn't feel like they're stringing us along for next year with some lame company line that "everything's OK".

    I don't see how passing this along puts Tim's job in jeopardy.:confused: Isn't a marketing department's purpose (and Les' by default) to guage the pulse of their audience and plan accordingly in promoting/improving their product? I would think Tim having a connection to a huge pulse would be beneficial to Les and the Rockets.
     
  4. Tim

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    No worries on career suicide. Heh.

    One of my group's jobs is to have our finger on the pulse of publice opinion. It's a tricky thing to do, but, yes, Les does ask from time to time what we're hearing out there, and we give him the best assessment we can.

    Rest assured -- nobody wants to win more than Les does. Championships are his first and foremost goal. As a marketing group, we stay well clear of player personnel decisions -- that's for Les, Rudy, Caroll, and the player operations staff. But you've seen his comments in Feigen's article Tuesday -- you should know by that that Les has no interest in sugar coating anything.

    Tim
     
  5. Woofer

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    What position is KT playing now. I know he's putting up some monster nights rebounding (not quite Rodman but pretty good for a shortie) for Philly.
     
  6. KeepJuaquin

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    Yes. Our offense is horrible. Our young players are not improving. Yao Ming has not been used to the fullest...utilized..MAN.

    And I agree with Texas Stoke. "holding someone responsible for signing Moochie Norris for 6 years would be a start." :)

    I also always agree with DaDakota.
     
  7. Htownhero

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    Thanks for responding Tim, it's good to know that the organization cares.




    PS
    Just as a pre-emptive measure that might or might not be needed, people please don't ask Tim if he has any insider info...respect the man and his job. Thanks.
     
  8. timm

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    From Timm the fan to Tim the Rockets Man.

    Thanks buddy. Have a winning season and yet get this **** is tough...but then thats the nature of sports fans. Its not about numbers in the end...its W (Wins) and E (effort by the team even when it loses). That what we care for....to make it a proper WE.

    And BTW, all this **** here means we still CARE.
     
  9. Timing

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    It's incredible how different KT looks with Philly. Like he's not even the same player. He's moving, passing, slashing, hitting the boards, and not hesitating on his drives. It's like night and day.

    On the team though, I do think we need a regime change like DaDa said. I can't fault Les Alexander, the man wants to win and does whatever it takes to win. He's shown that many times. It's really the decisions being made by our coaches and personnel people. Look at all the idiotic contracts we've signed here. Matt Maloney, Moochie Norris, Kelvin Cato, Mo Taylor, Shandon Anderson sign and trade for Rice, then trading three #1 picks for Eddie Griffin (the best player in the draft, uh), and a #1 pick for a guy drafted in the second round in Terence Morris. Then it's on RudyT's coaching. His tactic of building offenses almost strictly trying to exploit the rules of the game. It worked with Hakeem and to a lesser extent with Barkley but he's gone to the well too often now. He tried the guard iso game with iso players he acquired and now that there are zones and isos are out the door he's stuck trying shift to a more motion and post up oriented offense with players (Francis, Mobley, Norris, Mo Taylor) who are in love with face up dribble dribble fan torture to get their own shots. All the while Rudy has allowed such freedom that he's developed a young team (actually three guys, Francis, Mobley, and Mo Taylor) of excuse making, overconfident, undisciplined knuckleheads, and now two players who apparently have drug problems. This is just crazy. Things need to change.
     
  10. We're Back

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    Hey this guy should get fired...He had YAo Ming to work with and all he came up with was a ladder and a toddler
     
  11. Sane

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    Why are we acting like the organization hasn't done this already?

    Les clearly said that he's dissapointed with the season, will re-evaluate the team this offseason thoroughly, and will make any changes if they improve the team.

    I'm satisfied with his end-of-season talk, and think the Rockets will, in fact, hammer this team into a real team with some trades. At least we know what we have in Yao now, and we know how Francis fits with Yao, and we actually have great trade bait.
     
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    Good observation on KT. And great post.
     
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    So, the coaching (and the system) can allow a player to be the best he can be? Yes, true.

    I am 100% a Rudy man, but Rudy is only a bit more to this team than Lenny Wilkens was to the Raps.

    This off season must start with a direction. The coach sets the on court direction.

    This team has the kind of talent to help off load some bad contracts. Any or all of Mobley and Griffin and Rice('s expiring contract) and Cato's new found respect can help Mooch and MoT find homes elsewhere. Good guys, but good byes.
     
  16. Uprising

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    I positive that Les knows how we the "fans" feel. I mean, seriously he is the owner, and you know he wants a good team. No post season means no extra cash!!! Playoff games bring in a lot of bling bling.

    He knows the people of houston are fed up with a team that cant make the post season.
    I am sure he is fed up too!!:cool:
     
  17. basketball

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    I think Les should really talk with his coaching staff regarding the direction of this team and their plan to improve the team. If the coaching staff offer no new system and just ask for more time to gel then I suggest getting another coach. For the past 10 years or more, all I am seeing is your superstar is work to death tried to beat the other teams by himself and the other 4 guys standing around and watch. I thought this is suppose to be a team game.
    People criticize our players for being selfish but what do you expect them to do when the system is designed so that the first option is try to beat your man one on one and pass as a secondary option. Those days when you can beat them one on one is gone when the league allowed team to play the zone. Unless you have Kobe and Shaq on the same team (and even the Lakers are at their best only when their supporting players hit their open shot), you not going to win with this iso play business. Look what the Spurs doing with only one super star in Duncan. The team with the good records all play team ball. Unless the present coaching staff changing their philosophy, the Rockets are not going anywhere next year or the year after that. People are fooling themselves if they think this team will get better next year as they "mature" another year. The sign of a team is getting better with the current system is they play better as the season progress. With this team they play better in December compare to April. That is a sign of regressing not progressing. Unlesss there is a change in the system, all I am seeing is they are getting older by another year and not necessary any better. I am not calling to fire anyone but the team need to incorporate a different kind of offensive system. If not than I am in for a change in the coaching staff. There must be a change otherwise Les will have problem filling up his new arena. Unless you put out there a good product don't expect fans to fill up the arena and luxuries suites. One thing I like about Les is he will do what it take trying to win a championship. There is not a single time that I can remember that Les wouldn't open his checkbook to sign a players if the coaching staff think it would help the team. I hope Les would do what it take again this time to turn this franchise around.
     
  18. Mr. Mooch

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    As bad (and as good) as the Rockets were at times this season, the fans were very disloyal.

    I mean the Rockets didn't even have 3 straight sell outs, and most of the back to back sell outs came on big giveaway nights.

    The excuse of most fans is that the Rockets can't win. Well, when they were a season high 8-games over .500, the fans surely didn't support this team.

    How can you possibly expect fans to just come out and sell out playoff games while not having more than like 6 sellouts all season.

    Sure, ticket prices are high, but I just don't buy that. Fans everywhere who can support the Bulls can surely support the Rockets.

    Just don't make no sense.:confused:

    It's a very weird situation.
     
  19. Vaevictis

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    I don't know about you guys, but not winning isn't why I don't attend the games.

    I don't attend the games more often because:

    1. I don't want to pay to see the Rockets get pounded by the Clippers, Cavs, Bulls, because they took them lightly.
    2. I don't want to pay to see the Rockets lose because they forgot to show up.
    3. I don't want to pay to see the Rockets collapse in the last 6 minutes of the game. Professionals can lose, but only amatuers are permitted to collapse.
    4. I don't want to pay to see the Rockets lose a game because they couldn't hit their damn free throws. This one irks me especially, because hell, free throws are supposed to be "free". There's no excuse for this at the pro level.

    I will happily pay to see a loss. But I will NOT pay to see a lack of professionalism, a lack of effort, or a lack of will.

    In my opinion, the attendance problem isn't caused by not making the playoffs, but because the fans that do show up keep going home with a sour taste in their mouth because of the way the Rockets are playing. Watching your team lose because they acted like a bunch of amatuers does not open up the wallet.

    (Please excuse the semi-flamage. But it's how I feel.)
     
  20. timm

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    Amen. The lack of effort - or showing up only cameras or national press show up is really the key barrier.
     

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