McGrady's teams were good enough to go 3-1 against those Pistons, 2-0 against the Mavericks, and 3-2 against Utah. And for whatever reason, his teams failed to advance each time. Sorry, but that's undeniably not the resume of a clutch performer...
just because russell westbrook makes boneheaded plays in 5 percent of games, dresses like an idiot, looks like steve urkel, is short tempered does not take away from his game, Top 5 in the league. Curry is a better shooter, Irving might be a smooth player but Russell is the guy who electrifies the crowd with pure athleticism, his pull up jumpers and occasional clutch block or play.
1. Rose was 22. When Parker was 22, he couldn't shoot either. Age is a big favor in seeing who is what. 2. Parker didn't do much to help them win either. 3. So you're telling me just cause Barnes was a rookie, he isn't good? Or above average? The rookie drooped 15 ppg in playoffs. 4. The Brooklyn nets team didn't know how to play like a team. Deron Williams wasn't 100% & Brooklyn nets struggled all year with many different teams. 5. How is my "opinion" stupid about warriors making the playoffs in the East. That's what everyone would say. W/ or w/o curry, they would make the playoffs in the east. Heck, Ellis and Jennings made the playoffs in the east. It is a known fact that west > east and whichever conference you are in, those are the teams you play the most. That means, bulls would've played more west teams and most likely wouldn't have made the playoffs while warriors would've had played more east teams and would have made the playoffs and a high seed at that. 6. You're just taking away any credit thy Rose deserves because of one playoff series he had against the Heat. Who were his scorers that year? (Butler wasn't even known till this year. Hinrich wasn't on that team, norther was dunleavey. Boozer played poorly that year. Noah's not a scorer). Also Rose angered 7 Asts that year for a player who is a scorer. Heck Lebron shouldn't be the greatest cause he struggled against the spurs in 07, he missed jumper after jumper. People still argued that he was the greatest in the game atm.
They went up all those times because he played like an MVP, genius. You're just trolling at this point. McGrady raised his game when it mattered, i.e., in the playoffs. That's clutch.
Nope, not trolling at all. We just have different standards of "clutch". You think a player can be considered "clutch" when he leads his team to 3 wins in a best of 7 playoff series, and I hold "clutchness" to a higher standard. Look at it this way. On GOAT lists, players like Barkley and Karl Malone are automatically downgraded b/c they never led their teams to a championship. It's the same concept.
Except your argument is that Rose has a consistent jump shot RIGHT NOW, and I don't think he's proven that. Did you watch game 1? 9-18 shooting, 21 pts, 6 assists, and hit the game-typing jumper with 5 seconds left while being guarded by Lebron. He was also pretty good in game 5. For the season, Barnes averaged 9 ppg, 5 rpg, 1 apg, and 25 mpg. For PER, the league average is 15. Barnes had a PER of 11. So? Weren't Noah and Deng also banged up? Point is, even without Rose, the Bulls were a very solid team. No, NO ONE would agree with your assertion that w/o Curry, the Warriors would make the playoffs in the East. Sure, the East is weaker than the West, but I don't think you understand the talent gap between Steph Curry and Jarrett Jack, especially when Curry had one of the greatest shooting seasons of all-time last year. I'm not taking any credit away. You're simply giving him credit he doesn't deserve. Having a few great games in the playoffs doesn't make you a "clutch" playoff performer. Lebron is actually a perfect example. At the time, Lebron was widely regarded as the best player in the game, but he was not considered to be a "clutch" player, especially in the playoffs. Do you see my point?
Wait, I thought out argument was about Rose > curry, Irving and not clutchness? Jarrett Jack is very talented. Sure it's a big drop off but their other pieces were solid. You're acting as if the warriors team is extremely crappy w/o curry, which is not the case. David lee had an all star year yet again. They're a team that would make the playoffs in the east, hands down.
I think Curry and Irving are both better than Rose, but in your defense of Rose, you said he was a clutch playoff performer, and that's how the "clutchness" tangent started. Sure, Jack is talented, but he's nowhere near the level of Steph Curry. In fact, he's been in the NBA 8 years, and he's a perennial backup. Look at it this way...he was a Free Agent and just signed a contract for $6mm/year to be Irving's backup. $6mm/year. If not for his injury concerns, Steph Curry would be a max player. And you think his shoes can be filled by Jarrett Jack? Without Curry, the Warriors wouldn't come close to the playoffs regardless of which conference they played. The Warriors were not a good defensive team, and as such, they focused their energies on offense. And you think that without their greatest offensive weapon, they could still make the playoffs in the East? It's ridiculous how much you're underrating Curry and the impact he has on the game. When he's on the floor, the defense has to focus on him, and that creates openings for everyone else.
Okay. This is all based on opinions. but my question to you is... Last year bucks are better than Warriors w/o Curry?
And btw.. I do believe Curry is great.. I just think Rose is better.. And there are so many great PGs in the league, its hard to know whos what. Rose was the best pg in the league when he was healthy.. He hasn't played in a while therefore you can argue that he isn't..
Absolutely. Look at the lineups... Warriors: Jack/Thompson/Barnes/Lee/Ezeli Bucks: Jennings/Ellis/Moute/Ilyasova/Sanders You really think the Warriors had a better lineup?
It's Bogut. Not Ezeli. Warriors also had a better coach. Jennings/Ellis couldn't play together and **** horrifically. Ersan started to play well the last 2 months. Look at chemistry also.
LOL what are you trying to say, that Tmac wasn't clutch because his team lost a 7 game series? What about the Grizz when Pau Gasol got swept 4 times in the playoffs was he unclutch too? How about when Shaq and Hill got beaten by Dream were they unclutch? Are you saying people spend a year going from clutch to unclutch? Kobe was unclutch when his team got spanked by the Suns, but then he magically became clutch of the clutchest the next year when he played with Pau? You can't use the team records to lay blame on just one guy, series wins are team games.
Man if D-Rose is healthy and back to top form, they need to LOOK OUT in the East. Bulls gonna steamroll everyone but the Heat, it'll be a two team conference essentially. F*** the overrated Pacers and the old as hell Nets, they'll be at least 10+ wins under Chicago and Miami.
People forget D-Rose won MVP. If he's playing at a even higher level right now, how can you put Curry and Irving over him?
Bogut missed a ton of games, and even when he did play, it was in limited minutes due to nagging injuries. If you want to use Bogut, that hurts your argument even more.
