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Harden/Lin modeled after Knicks/Miami or Spurs/OKC?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Skyhoop, Oct 13, 2013.

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Which model to choose for working with Harden and Lin?

  1. Start them together and mesh them, Rolls Royce backcourt, Miami superfriends

    83 vote(s)
    43.7%
  2. Bring Lin off the bench, Manu in SA, Harden in OKC (even if it means Lin leaving like Harden)

    52 vote(s)
    27.4%
  3. Trade Lin, problem solved

    14 vote(s)
    7.4%
  4. I don't know

    12 vote(s)
    6.3%
  5. You're an idiot and I refuse to vote in this poll, oohhh....shiny!

    29 vote(s)
    15.3%
  1. Skyhoop

    Skyhoop Member

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    It's always necessary to have a joke option in a poll. Helps to corral the troll votes so the other results can be untouched, otherwise you end up with troll votes in one of the legitimate poll options.
     
  2. NotApollo33

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    Lin fans need to understand that Lin could be one of the Big Three as a 6th Man. Even a potential Hall of Famer.

    As a Starter he will be nothing but an average role player that can be swapped for any other average role players in the league.
     
  3. mikol13

    mikol13 Protector of the Realm
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    Bring Lin off of the bench. The second unit will most likely need scoring, Lin will get more touches. Not a knock on Lin whatsoever, I just think it may be best for the success of the Rockets.
     
  4. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

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    Yes, I would say by LOF's analysis (not mine): Harden is a massive ball hog and McHale enables him out of sheer incompetence, so if you want Lin to get more touches, don't play him with Harden.
     
  5. JustAGuy

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    You can just eliminate everything before "if you want Lin to get more touches, don't play him with Harden."

    Harden is going to get a lot of touches because, duh.

    What seems to happen A LOT is labeling everyone that likes Lin as a "LOF", then ascribing to the entire group the features of the worst members of that group. It is just as annoying as the opposite problem, and doesn't make the board a happier place.
     
  6. rocketsfan4

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    lol, I really like your posts
     
  7. d12babymamas

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    what's wrong with walt and tony parker? why would they compare themselves to a role player? let me ponder this for awhile and get back to you...
     
  8. Reach

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    I picked the first option. Because when Morey put together this roster, he was thinking Lin = Dwyane Wade.
     
  9. Spacemoth

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    Tony Parker can't shoot threes. Harden can. If Lin gets to the point where he can as well, then there should be no problem whatsoever playing the two together. Defenses will be driven crazy as they take turns running the PnR and throwing kickouts to each other for the open shot all day.
     
  10. JustAGuy

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    I don't know. My unverified memory says that Lin tends to pass to the corner or to his PnR partner; Harden does a better job kickouts for 3 pointers (though not as good for his partner).
     
  11. cmlmel77

    cmlmel77 Up all Night Watching Houston Sports
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    So you are too slow or (like a previous poster, hungover) to read a well thought-out post, but you expect us to care about and spend even a fraction of a second reading your pointless comment? If you have nothing to say, shut up and don't waste our time with your "lol" crap. Don't talk just to hear your own voice.

    As for the original question - I would strongly prefer the San Antonio model. The difference between SA/OKC and NY/Miami is that the latter did not feature any strong frontcourt option, so those teams need(ed) as much scoring and playmaking out of their backcourt as possible. We, like San Antonio or OKC, have another possession-consuming option in the starting lineup, so need support on the second team.
     
  12. hubeijames

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    You'll need to justify that claim, partner.

    Lin is a playmaker with good court vision, but how well you can use that stuff depends on the quality of the players you are playing with. The opportunity cost of playing Lin heavy minutes away from the players on our roster who complement him the best (Howard and Parsons) is enormous.

    Lin needs to be paired with a strong, finishing PnR big man. Pair Lin and Howard, and suddenly Lin can pull a bigger share on the offensive end than he could last year. (I love Asik, he sets some wicked screens, but he is useless rolling to the basket unless left wide open.) Lin puling a bigger share on the offensive end means Harden's ball handling responsibilities are reduced (scoring not necessarily; he'll score a lot with open 3's). Harden's ball handling responsibility on O being reduced means he can conserve energy to spend on the defensive end. PBev cannot do what Lin can; if you're playing Beverly against starters, he's purely a 3&D guy.

    tldr You're wrong, Lin gains more from playing with starters than he loses by sharing ball handling with Harden; Lin playing with the starters will also improve Harden's 2-way play.
     
  13. K-Low_4_Prez

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    No bro Lin is Lebron duh! :)
     
  14. WinkFan

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    OKC is a flawed example, because they had 3 big time wing players. Maybe Harden starts if they have a frontcourt guy instead of Durant.
     
  15. Htownballer38

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    They were a top 5 back court tandem last season. LOL They have already meshed together.
     
  16. dobro1229

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    Designed style of play and players would most likely model the Spurs. The Rockets would prefer to play two interior bigs at the same time with high pace/attacking guards, and at least 2 wings spacing the floor at all times.
     
  17. langal

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    Don't forget the Lakers with Norm Nixon and Magic Johnson. They both made All-Star one year too. And they both couldn't hit a 3 pointer. Those teams also had weak link at PF.
     
  18. Fighton

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    THIS. i don't have the numbers in front of me but something tells me that their combined points and assists is probably top 5 compared to other tandems.
     
  19. don grahamleone

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    Lin is the 4th best player on this team. I'm more worried about Howard/Harden.

    Was that an option?
     
  20. sirbaihu

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    Thanks for that! I try not to be a d!ck, but sometimes fail.
     

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