Ugh... first of all, I would give up Posey and Norris for Butler, but there's no way the Heat jump for that.. even with TMo thrown in. That's not what the Heat need. Secondly I've been talking about Thomas for a long while now... but not with Allan Houston. We don't need such a high priced spot up shooter who has only ok D. Get Thomas for sure, but the Rox don't need Houston (or Sprewell for that matter). The Knicks need a big man with solid D and rebounding as well as a scoring pf, not to mention a friggin' pg. I wonder if they'd pick up Norris....... anyways my dream would be getting rid of Collier, Norris, and Taylor for Thomas. Money shouldn't be a huge problem, and the Knicks get the possible good center in Collier, a decent pg who can at least rack up assists in Norris and a pf who is an offensive threat with a post up game. That way Houston and Sprewell may be opened up a little more. But undoubtedly the Knicks would want Cato... what east team wouldn't. I dunno if rox could give up Cato..... Thomas could back up the center spot I guess... but foul trouble could screw things up occasionally. Anyways that would be a great trade in the offseason. Maybe Thomas could teach Griffin a thing or two. And when was Fisher part of a big 3? When was Fisher even a freakin' good player? He's a decent shooter and average defender... that's about it. That analogy is no good. But then comes the problem of the backup pg and sg positions. I still say the best possibility would be Antonio Daniels. He's a great backup and has played with a dominant big man before. He's also a pretty good defender and shooter. Blazers have quite a few pgs already, maybe they would take Rice and say.... Nachbar? Heh, yeah right... but it'd be nice.
LOL. You are not suggesting that Moochie can be their starting point are you? Anyone running the point for them now is better than Moochie. And they have Eddie Jones. They are not desperate enough for that defensive stopper to give up Bulter and 1st round pick for Posey and Morris. Not to mention that Bulter is way better than Posey anyway.
That is a good plan but you know we have to get rid of Mobley or Francis because they are going to play iso all the time so we another player but good idea though.
EG 2.2 + CM 5.0 + GR 9.2 = $16.4 million AH $14.0 + KT 4.0 = $18.0 million MN 3.6 + TM 0.4 + JP 3.0 = $6.9 million CB 1.7 + 1st rounder = $1.7 million. First trade....well Cuttino is better than Allan Houston. And Kurt Thomas isn't awesome. He's a good role player. Glen Rice is too old...we can send him back to New York. He will retire anyways. Eddie...well sure. But 2nd trade. Impossible. More impossible than the first trade. Why give up their future star for 3 crappy players?!? And higher payroll too? We would have to send someone equal in potential or talent like Bostjan Nachbar. And Terence Morris would be extra goodies. We would have to be giving them the pick. Not them... I wish.
Allan Houston's contract will expire the exact same year that Yao's rookie contract will be up so that part would work out. Still Houston's contract is huge and and long so that it would push the rockets over the cap into the luxury tax zone for 4 years. Remember that the Knicks do have Antonio McDyess coming back next year so that will give them their PF which should make Thomas expendable. Any deal to get Thomas would likely have to involve either Houston or Sprewell. Sprewell game has gone down the last couple of years but his contract's length is on 2 years so it's not like the Rockets would be stuck with him that long. I proposed this deal on another thread but if the Knicks would go for it I would trade Griffin, Rice, and Cato for Thomas and Sprewell. Works out with the cap and both Thomas's and Sprewell's contract end in two years which will enable us to go after a big name free agent. The Rockets might have to throw in a future 1st round pick to make it work.
Griffin 2.2 + Rice 9.2 + Cato 6.7 = $18.0 million Thomas 4.9 + Sprewell $12.0 = $16.0 million This could possibly work as well. Griffin could play small forward there. Rice could be good for leadership I guess. Cato would be a fantastic backup big man. Thomas is good role player. And Sprewell. I love him. He may have had some problems...but he is awesome. He just drains 3's so easily. Swoosh. Swoosh. Too good. Makes a lot too... But New York would not do this...they would be $2 million more expenses. We would have to offer a 1st round draft pick or 2 2nd round draft picks as well. Then we wouldn't need to resign Posey, Hawkins, Morris, Collier, or Maddox. Then sign Jon Barry and Voshon Lenard! I WISH.
Good point, the only problem is they would want to keep a decent pf in case Mcdyess gets reinjured or comes back playing like crap, and Harrington and Weatherspoon make a less than desirable pf rotation. The Rox could take on Sprewell (although I'd rather them not), but he could be a good addition for his sharpshooting and decent D. I'd still throw up a Taylor, Norris, Collier (they're still trying to find a good 5, and they'd need to get a center back if they're gonna give us Thomas, maybe they'll take the risk, if not offer Cato as a last chance thing) trade for Thomas and add in Posey if they decide to force us into taking Spree. Spree would basically be relegated to a spot up three point shooter anyways, and he's cheaper to have than Houston. Oh, and in my previous post I was thinking about a trade that would get us Daniels. Rice and Nachbar actually wouldn't be bad.. but I don't know if the Blazers would take on a prospect 3... but they might in order to get cap space with rice. They already have quite a few decent pgs, and Pippen basically does point for them anyways, they'd probly give us Daniels.. Francis/Daniels/Maddox Mobley/Hawkins Sprewell/TMo Thomas/Griffin Yao/Cato Not a bad lineup. In a few years TMo may become a good 3 and Griffin may become a dominant 4... at least Sprewell would probly be able to be dropped, which would free up some room for Yao and others.
I do not think it woul be a good idea because we got to let mobley go by trading him to ney york for an even better sg/ Allan houston., so they would change their game plan and stop playing iso all the time.
Sorry, but I just don't see why Houston is so coveted... he's f'ing expensive, one dimensional, although very very good at it. Sprewell can shoot really well as well, his D is better and he's less money... why not Spree than Houston then? Knicks wanted to get rid of Spree anyways. Plus I think Mobley could become a great fit for the Rox if not just for his athleticism. He's got the potential for great D, decent spot up shooting, good cutting (coach just needs to get this into their heads.. movement! cut cut cut!). Francis may even be the worse fit of the two, but there's no way we can let Francis go either. Too much talent, too much upside. They both have heart, they just gotta get their roles into their heads. Sprewell can jack threes off of outlet passes for all I care but he better play decent D. Contrary to what most ppl think, the 1 and 2 positions are not our largest problems. Gotta get some kinda consistency and D at the 4 spot and some three point shooting, or at least some kinda consistent shooting at the 3 spot with good D. Posey's actually been doing pretty well in this area.
The trade to the knick might be nice, and for those that don't know why Houston is coveted - there aren't mant better shooters in the league and we have zero consistent outside shooting. If you want anyone to be able to post up you have to create space. Having a bunch a terrific athletes that can drive to the hole with ease doesn't help when you want post up Yao or Taylor. If I coached against the Rockets, I would sag off all our outside shooters and watch us throw up brick after brick. Now before any one attacks me and says Mobes and Posey have shot well lately, neither is close to being CONSISTENT from the outside. I want a guy that game in game out can hit over 40% from the arc. That is the guy you have throw the entry pass into Yao so they can't double off that side. I would love to get Butler, hyper athletic, but the Heat would want a WHOLE lot for him, or we would have to swallow a huge contract of theirs.
Personally, this thread makes me sad that we weren't able to get Ray "He Got Game Allen" - he is everything Allen Houston is and probably a better assist man. Seattle was just offering too much, but I wonder if the Rockets dangled Mobley out there.
I think Allan Houston has the prettiest shot in the NBA, but that said, I'd prefer a Michael Finley type with defensive skills on top of a good shot over Allan Houston. Especially for that big, fat contract.
So u guys want 2 players who make total of 200 mil?? That said, keepJuaquin, Allan Houston is better thatn Cat. I love cat to death, but Houston is better. But he makes way too damn much
He may make alot but he is the vet we are looking for 9yr man that got some playing exrerience. Thomas could be better than Eddie and he will we just have to focus on who to trade to get those two players.
Why not just go for Wesley Person. He is a free agent. And we have the MCE. And honestly, how much better than Kenny Thomas is Kurt Thomas???
Allan Houston has about a 100 million dollar contract...#'s wouldnt work. And the Knicks would have to be insane to do that. Kurt Thomas is really solid. Trade Moochie( who is worth nothing) Posey(Who is worth Kurt Thomas) and T-Mo(Who was worth more in college) for a future all star and a 1st round pick for a team that is in the lottery? Thats some funny stuff.
