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Patrick Beverley is starting at PG in Manila against the Pacers (UPDATED w/ CF Article)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by moose, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. Morlock O

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    It is relevant, and it is not about how much time you get to spend with the player... its about getting one of your best player (Dwight) going early in the game... this will make a world of a difference, as with a motivated Howard, you get better defense, rebounding and offense... with a motivated Howard you can beat any team out there... a Frustrated Howard, you get a Turnover prone, Foul Prone, no defense center you paid max money for...
     
  2. Morlock O

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    Grats you just made yourself sound like an 11 year old as well :)
     
  3. coachbadlee

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    The benching of Lin would be the best thing for his fans. Then they would finally become Rockets fans.;)
     
  4. bbjai

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    so basically you'd much rather the Rockets to lose if that means JLin gets to start?

    Maybe you should stop watching basketball? As some other posted asked, when you start actually thinking about Houston Rockets basketball? I don't support either player starting believing the coaching staff will make the best choice, but this has got to be the most out of control comment I've seen to date. Comments like this almost me wish Jeremy Lin was never asian
     
  5. Horry4theWin

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    She was just speaking in generalization. Jeremy had a fair amount of cheers during the game but certainly not Linsanity level like against the Raptors.

    Jeremy Lin is not a Taiwanese or Chinese national, he's an American of Han Chinese descent, and that links him to both sides. Just like how we got fans here from Singapore. If some mainland Chinese fans would be against him, it would be more because he's ABC. He's also Christian so there's another thing Filipino fans can embrace.

    There were actually some fans that had Pacers gear shown and Paul George cheers but Lin had one of the top cheers. The tensions between Taiwanese vs Filipinos were more apparent as the FIBA Asia Tournament approached and the Filipino national team didn't get to attend the Jones Cup in Taiwan because the government couldn't guarantee their safety.

    Philippines placed 2nd though in the FIBA Asia tournament, which Taiwan got eliminated, and will be at next year's 2014 World Cup. If Lin played for Taiwan's national team, I could see an argument for that kind of resentment towards Lin, but given the recent coverage, I'd say Lin has a decent amount of fans there and there was no need for fear for his safety.
     
  6. Grace33

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    So I assume you think what they did is for the best for the Rockets and I'm afraid I have different opinion:)
    I think it's better let Jlin handle the ball and DH will be effective with Jlin and Rockets will win more games then.
    I agree it's fine to try any possibility during preseason than regular season games. But just I thought it was just a business show for the preseason game held in Asia for their Asia market and nothing to do with the record about win or lose for the rockets...Maybe I was wrong...
     
  7. echu888

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    The Righteous Indignation of an LOF

    Please bear with me as I need to get this off my chest.

    It's truly disgusting what McFail has done by relegating Lin to the end of the bench, and letting Beverly start in his place. What utter and complete disrespect. I mean, how dare he make changes to the starting line up in the name of "trying to make the team better" and "winning"? Doesn't he know the word "win" actually has its etymological roots from the Chinese-Latin word "林", or surprise, surprise, as we all know, "Lin"? Really, it's disgusting that McFail just hates Americans of Chinese ethnicity and prefers Americas of African ethnicity. God has already judged him for that - why do you think he walks with a limp?

    I mean, Lin signed a massive $24m/3yr contract to come off the bench? WTH? Ridiculous! I mean, he was the STARTER the entire year last year for crying out loud! How could be possibly be moved to the bench? What kind of coach, especially at the NBA level, would even think of doing that? We all know players that come off the bench are accessories, like "toy poodles" that you put in your purse, I mean who needs them really? Do they have any sort of function, other than a placeholder in between when the starters leave the game and then come back in? (rhetorical question, we already know the answer is DUH, of course not)

    Since McFail has so much Bev-Love, then clearly the correct and equitable solution is obviously to move Ömer Aşık to the bench, and have Beverly start at power forward. The lineup would then be:

    C: Howard
    PF: Bevrly
    SF: Parsons
    SG: Harden
    PG: Lin

    With the league's trend toward small ball in the last decade, this line-up will be incredibly destructive, and would probably average about 8-10 steals per game. Of course, practically speaking, it's better to eliminate any and all threats to Jeremy's rightful inheritance to a starting position and minutes, and that's the genius of this plan! With Bervly playing at power forward, even McFail would be too stupid to try and bench Lin at that point, for who, Brooks? LOL. Wait... McFail might just be that stupid...
     
  8. hatwin1976

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    That is the reason the head coach is different with a NBA league officer or the team owner. The coach care wins and his job security, while a NBA league officer or the owner might think a little more than that and they are not 11 year old apparently.

     
  9. Morlock O

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    Wow you from singapore too? nice too see a rocket fan from singapore! hard to find a basketball fan in singapore lol!
     
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    This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have read in awhile
     
  11. MrSabotage

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    Yes I basically agree, but it remains to be seen if he will finish the games also. I think it comes down to how well he's playing in that game, as it kinda should, but that still worries me cuz McHale seems to have a ridiculously short leash on him. And I think that sometimes causes him to play Worrying about making mistakes, which leads to too much thinking instead of just going out there free and, aggressive and having fun with everything.
     
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    Whoohoo, what a lie! "Chinese-Latin"?!? 林 means "forest" or "trees," as you can see from the picture of two trees. "Win" (I consult my dictionary) comes from Old English:

    ORIGIN Old English winnan ‘strive, contend,’ also ‘subdue and take possession of, acquire,’ of Germanic origin.

    What are up to with this?
     
  13. rock34

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    If Asian and LOF want to see Lin come back to Linsanity his best chance is coming off the bench in a sixth man role. The starters don't need Linsanity. However, the bench could receive a huge boost from Linsanity.

    Furthermore, it's never who starts but who finishes. The best answer for this is to see how the game is going and what you need in the stretch run at the end of the game. Who's got the hot hand? What are the matchups? Do you need more defense or more offense? These questions and others are what help make you choose who finishes.

    If you are a real rockets fan it's not about who is better overall (cause in my opinion it is Lin) but instead it's about what makes the team better!
     
  14. Morlock O

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    Insert "No sure if serious" gif...
     
  15. Horry4theWin

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    Oh no, I'm not from Singapore. I'm in the U.S. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding but I remember threads popping up asking if anybody here was from Singapore, Malaysia, etc.

    Basically, I've been trying to say the whole "Chinese vs Taiwanese" thing is overblown regarding Lin. He has enough fans from various Asian countries, especially the ones with Han Chinese descent. That's what matters. And of course anyone else, Asian or not, who are fans of him for other reasons including role model, underdog, whatever...

    Just like any other polarizing player, i.e. Lebron or Kobe, there's a fair share of haters and fans. It depends on who you talk too anywhere. But it's not like Jeremy is going to go to China and get bottles thrown at him for being "Taiwanese".
     
  16. finsraider

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    Having two creators (Harden and Lin) on the floor at the same time doesn't necessarily help Howard, but having at least one at all times is vital. Howard + Harden may be better served by playing with an off ball PG that has a reliable 3.

    With Harden starting and Lin coming off the bench, Howard will always have an initiator to get him the ball. It helps him, and it helps Lin.

    I've posted this before, but it's worth repeating; one of the following lineups will almost always be on the floor for the Rockets:

    Harden/Howard
    Lin/Howard
    Harden/Asik
    Lin/Asik

    This way, you almost always have an all-star, creator, and elite post defense on the floor at all times. The other team will almost never get free buckets on offense, and they won't be able to take a break on defense.

    Like all role players, Lin needs the right situation to be effective, and right now that role might be with the 2nd team.
     
  17. Morlock O

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    I see your point... I'm just worried about Howard... I did not like what I saw last game...
     
  18. Morlock O

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    Oh Cool Lol sorry just misread this line...

    what I read was "Just like how we got fans here in Singapore." lol

    All good!
     
  19. Grace33

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    When you paid for a show, you expected to see what you want or will feel disappointed. That's what I am talking about for the Preseason game show in Asia. I just expressed how I felt and I hope it is ok with u. :)
    As long as Jlin is a Rockets, I hope for the best for them to Succeed. And it will never be a success if you succeed with a team lose. That's why basketball is a team play and Jlin is known as a team player.
    And I really hope any of my personal opinion will not make you think that represent all his Asian fan just like your opinion can not represent all the rockets fan:)
     
  20. durvasa

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    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocke...n-taipei-after-lin-comes-off-bench-in-manila/

    [rquoter]
    Lin fanatics were outraged. This was unthinkable. Unforgivable.

    Lin came off the bench. He played very well. He played a lot by preseason standards. But when the names of the starters were bellowed to the crowd, Lin’s was not mentioned.

    The good people of Manila seemed to take this stunning event in stride. They were good natured and entertained, watching the game intently, almost studiously.

    There was a rise in the excitement level when Lin had the ball, but there seemed to be little quarrel with the lineup change in the arena. Rockets coach Kevin McHale said after the game that he intended to rotate Lin and Patrick Beverley in the preseason starting lineups, with both having shown a good deal so far. But there were some that thought it was unthinkable that one of the point guards should have to come off the bench, as if that was all that mattered on a night in which having the game played at all was far, far more significant than who started it.[/rquoter]
     

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