Don't know if this has been posted, or if it even accurate. None the less rather interesting. If there is one thing this war has taught us all, it's that we can't believe what we're told. For Donald Rumsfeld these were "breathtaking". For the British Army they were "historic". For BBC Radio they were "amazing". Here's the truth. First there is a photo from the BBC website showing the statue toppling. Below that is a long-shot in which you can see the whole of Fardus Square (conveniently located just opposite the Palestine Hotel where the international media are based), and the presence of at most around 200 people – most of them US troops (note the tanks and armoured vehicles) and assembled journalists. The BBC website had the honesty to say that "dozens" of Iraqis were involved, but this grain of truth was swamped by the overwhelming impression of mass joy. The radio and TV were even worse. The masses are no doubt glad to see the back of Saddam Hussein, but this was a US Army propaganda coup, staged for the benefit of the same journalists it had bombed the day previously, and which the British media have swallowed hook line and sinker. Shame on them.
Wow if the photo posted is accurate, the US is really going all out to change world opinion. The statesments by T. Aziz make my wonder though, because if he is backing away there must be real resentment running through Iraq. However, I haven't seen a single wide angle shot of celebrating masses in Iraq to date.
I've been against the way the administration has handled this war, but this isn't much in the way of news. I saw this on CNN yesterday, and although it's true that I didn't see any wide angle shots, I saw enough happy Iraqis to make me take pause. There were quite a few. I found it especially amazing seeing as there is still a war going on, and there are still lots of people dying in the city.....myself, I don't care how happy I was.....my ass would be inside.
Yeah, there was fighting barely 3 blocks away, as well as snipers hiding in buildings. I expect most people to wait in their homes until they are sure it is safe to go outside.
that photo had to be taken after the celbration or something, atleast before it. I mean, I didnt see any good wide angle shots. It did look like alot more than just that though on the news stations. they showed numerous views from different angles. I did catch a view from up higher, appeared to be from a building that showed more of a wide angle shot than CNN did, this was on another news channel, I cant remember which one, i was surfing through them all. I gotta say though, no matter what the amount of people that were there, It looked like a helll of a celebration on TV, with lots of happy folks.
You're probably right, however this also says something about the kind of people who were out there i.e. looters, thieves, opportunists. I do expect most Iraqis to be happy however the image i got from all the news services was that there were thousands of people in the streets at that time.
Idiotic thread. You need to deal with the fact that most Iraqis are very happy this happened. This is not just from pictures or television images, it is from journalists in Iraq who have seen it firsthand, from Iraqis themselves, and from Iraqi- Americans.
That makes alot of sense, but the media should at least mention the fact (if its true) that there were only a hundred or so people celebrating. Every news report i've seen has given the impression of thousands of joy filled Iraqis dancing in the streets. Along with direct comparisons to the fall of the Berlin wall etc. Thats seriously biased media, if in fact that picture is accurate. It may well have been taken hours before (photoshop) or after the celebrations.
I guess they staged the Iraqis dragging the head through the city too. Get a grip man. I guess people can't get over the fact that they were wrong, and that the war was just and the people in Iraq are genuinely happy. Or maybe they staged the thousands of Kurds celebrating too. Whatever dude, I am thankful that history will record it better then the bitter left. DD
I think it is pretty obvious how many people were there. Its obvious in the video of the event as well. Not really ground breaking news. At no point in time does it look like there are 1000's of people and at no point did I think it was 1000's of people. I don't think there is any propaganda going on here. I mean of course it looks better when you are doing a close up shot, but how else are you going to film it? From far away so people can hardly see the statue going down?
Well he did start the post off with....."Don't know if this has been posted, or if it even accurate. None the less rather interesting. " Worst than the media itself.....Facts Please
No, this is about an extremist little website throwing out an idea with little basis in fact. http://162.42.211.226/index.html
Nobody is denying the fact that most Iraqis and most people everywhere are gald to see the end of Sadaam. However that is not the point of this thread. Try reading underoverups post, you just might get a clue.
Underoverup said that the "US is really going all out to change world opinion." Well. I guess the US government controls the US media and tells them exactly how to report these events. The US government tells CNN to lie and exaggerate the happiness of the Iraqis, right?
Well right or wrong at least they showed a picture of the event from a wide angle. Not a single major media outlet that i've seen has done the same. I'm looking for more views and have yet to find one that isn't a close up. So many of you resort to name calling when you can't make a decent point. This thread was started with an unbiased statement and is at the very least one of the more interesting threads posted today.
