I agree, now let's list the things that Francis is good at: 1. He is very good a turnovers (see 2) 2. He is very good at ill-timed, telegraphed, lazy passes 3. He is good at not playing defense 4. He is good at not making good decisions 5. He is good at not being a playmaker 6. He is good at ignoring or not seeing wide open players 7. He is good at skipping over the mid stripe when we are losing. 8. He is good at giving "what did he say?" interviews. 9. He is good at dribbling forever (see 10) 10. He is good at walking the ball up the floor and running out the timeclock. 11. He is good at making an easy shot difficult. 12. He is good at maintaining his stats at the expense of the team. 13. He is good at "trying" to go one on four. 14. He is good at creating at "All Star" image around the league, but as the Rockets continue to flounder and Ming is "iced out" that image will fade. It IS true, Francis is good, not great!
Acizlan A deranged Steve-Only fan like you has no right discussing basketball or any sport in the first place.
One thing most GMs know that you probably dont is that the fellas you want to compare Steve with all make over 12million a year..Steve 4.3 million. Steves only in his 4th year and is on pace to reach the level of those guys..all franchise players. Steve reaches the 12 million salary level in 2006 ..compare then.
m a rox fan, i love yao too! but i cant stand for ppl like u(Yao only fan) Fegwu A deranged Yao-Only fan like you has no right discussing basketball or any sport in the first place.
I'm Chinese and am very proud of Yao. However, guys like Yetti who would urinate on Steve just to compliment Yao almost make me want to root against Yao. It's a disgusting feeling. Steve is good but not great. Kobe is better than Steve. What is the use of posting that? Sounds like people from China or Chinese-Americans downgrading Steve to make Yao look better. Absolutely disgusting.
You may be right gr8-1, but answer this question: If Francis is so "AWESOME" as Tonaaayyyy puts it, then why was he passed up by Mike Bibby as THE point guard for TEAM USA? (who btw, are considered the ELITE) Answer: because Francis is good, not GREAT........yet He's gotta PROVE it by giving us a playoff run! duh.
Any chance that you're not a Rox fan? You are so biased that you thought Steve would have 30 ppg and 10 apg on any other team other than Rox right? Sorry but Steve-only fans are as bad and annoying as Yao-only fans. Shaq, Kobe, T-Mac, KG and Duncan are the unanimous top 5 players in the league. Kidd, Dirk, AI, Pierce and Webber are probably next in the line. Francis, Marbury etc follows. So I say Francis is about top 11 or top 12, at best top 10, no way top 5. If you can't see it, you're not a NBA fan.
First of all, c'mon -- how many Steve Francis-only fans do you think there really are? *lol* Franchise is constantly hated (after a Rockets loss) then loved again (after a win) that it's somewhat refreshing to get a Francis-only fan if you know what I mean. Secondly, is it any coincidence that the guys in your top five-ten have all been in the playoffs and performed @ a high level @ that level? Nope. That's why it's my opinion that Francis won't be a top 10 player until his team(s) reach the playoffs and he steps his game up accordingly @ that level as well. In the words of Kenny Smith, whom got these words from a former NBA player who's name doesn't come to mind, "Every player puts up great numbers in the regular season...that's why you have so many All-Star players. The regular season gives you the name. The post-season gives you the fame." There are good players, then great players, then elite players. Francis is not an elite player, IMO. But, he is a great player.
While I agree w/the playoff thing, the rest of your argument is VERY weak! There are A LOT of great players being passed over for the 2004 Olympic squad. Iverson (big hoopla about it for months now), Pierce, Jermaine O'Neal, Francis to name a few. Are these players not great? Of course they are. And there are a lot of basketball "experts" who make cases for reasons why Francis should be on the olympic team, but they are quick to point out that the OC is not looking to assemble the TOP 12 players in the NBA per se, but also get some players that fit, compliment the team well -- like a Mike Bibby.
Amazing players (best of the elite--in no order): Shaq Duncan Garnet Kobe T-Mac Other great/franchise players (next best, in no order) Nowitzki Kidd Payton Pierce Webber Iverson Borderline franchise, still great players Francis (personally I think he is the best of this group, I'd put him at #12 overall) Marbury Marion Jermaine O'neal Ben Wallace (hard to figure his total impact--I think it is more than most realize) Ray Allen Very good, but clearly not franchise players Peja Davis Mashburn Rasheed Jamison Brand Walker Hamilton Nash Finley Malone SAR Yao (currently, unlimited ceiling though) Stackhouse Gasol Carter Some other good-to very good players, but below most of above (non-inclusive list) Lewis Rose Mobley Terry Houston Spree Bibby Stockton McDyes (until proven otherwise) Ricky Davis Arenas Martin Cassell A. Davis Ilgauskas
Last time I checked..THIS IS A MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT THE ROCKETS..NOT THE GD STEVE FRANCIS FAN CLUB!! IF DUDE THINKS HE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO AND COULD STAND TO PASS THE BALL MORE (WHICH A HELLUVA LOT OF US DO) THAN SO BE IT.! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE TAKING POT SHOTS AND DISSING PEOPLE, WHO YOU DON'T EVEEEEEEENNNNN KNOW, BECAUSE THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT STEVE FRANCIS?? OR YAO?? OR ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER!! PEOPLE HAVE A WRITE TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION ABOUT THE ROCKETS AND ITS PLAYERS...THAT IS DEFINITELY IS WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR... RIPPING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR OPINIONS, IS NOT!!
This is pure ridiculous, the only reason y dream team take a 2nd or 3rd class player like Mbibby is b/c they need someone to just fit the team and take less shots
Why do you exempt Steve-Only fans and Moochie-Only fans? Double standard? Hypocrisy? Mmmmmchewww......
This is NOT ridiculous! If you think about it, GREAT players are those that are TEAM players and "fit"! In my opinion, the only way to win a championship is if we get more ROLE players that "fit"! Francis is trying to play point, but is really playing point and shooting guard. Want a good example of a good role player? Robert Horry! Why do you think the rings follow him where ever he goes? Do you think they passed up any GREAT players in the first Dream Team?? NO! They choose the very best TEAM players. That was exactly the reason why I started this thread. Francis is a good player, but when it comes to leading his team, he is immature.
b/c there is no STEVE-ONLY fans on this BBS, only Yao-only fans i was just pissed by ppl like YOU so i think there is a need for me to defend our star player
