It would seem that one could accredit a certain propensity from those left of center to actually decry a successful and decisive U.S. military campaign. God forbid that our military do its job and do its job well while adhering to the rules of war. I suppose we could indeed return to the 60's, to a rising loss of American lives from a real quagmire; for some, the fault would seemingly always lie with the U.S. first and foremost.
Civillians are killed in every war. It's a tragedy, but it is a reality of war. I read that 14,000 civillians were killed in the battle of Normandy. That didn't make it not worth doing.
I think living in fear of losing your tongue or having your family murdered will cause you to claim to be "happy" with a regime when you really aren't...
I'm trying to see how YOU think...but after reading all of this I'm convinced you aren't thinking at all. As far as the opinion of "most of the world"...MOST of the world is in the coalition. 48 nations, as opposed to France and Germany. Refman, Let's see 194 ountries in the world. 48 isn't quite 25%. If I was a teacher I'g give you a C for effort. It has been estimated that about 18% of the population of the world is in the coalition. Countries like China, Russia and India have big poulations and alas Bulgaria and the numerous countries of Eastern Europe aren't that big.. Another large country, Japan, is a member but only for post war relief. Turkey is listed, but we have seen that they aren't so willing. It can hurt your argument when you don't acquire facts. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2862343.stm
My family in Iran knows Iraqis. They are actually satisfied with him and are scared out of their minds that they are under attack right now.
Gentlemen, we have questions... 1. Glynch: Not all things are equal. I would say it's safe to mention that a large part of the world has values derived from principals that are conrtrary to our own. In saying this, I would not expect a nation, like China for example, to be on our side. Indeed, personally if I were to find a large part of the world on our side, I'd be just a bit suspicious. I would presume to say that one connotation to be extracted from Refman's statment is that the present day coalition is impressive, considering the ill will the U.S. faces in this day and age. I suppose each member gives what it can afford. 2. Rezdawg: Iraq is not a monolithic entity as pointed out time and time again in this forum. For example, one could acknowledge that for those Iraqis who have benifited from Saddam's regime, more than likely they wouldn't be too agreeable to current day events. Moreover, it seems that with every passing day, the media carry more and more coverage of the growing, overt joy and celebration of the Iraqi people now that Saddam is clearly losing his place at the head of the table-and rightfully so if I might add. Yeah, I know. These weren't really questions...
Nice try, glynch. Out of those 194 countries, how many of them have access to mass media and any real conception of what is going on in Iraq? Nice try including third world "countires" in your happy little survey. Let's just be thankful you aren't and leave it at that.
Yes, the US media. You havent seen other country's media coverage on the situation. I get Iran television stations in my house. Sure, there are many situations that the Iraqis are excited, but there are even more instances where they are not. Dont put too much emphasis on the media you receive because it definitely doesnt tell the whole story.
Yeah...with the Iranian media being completely free and all with NO government intervention. Come on man.
Thank you Reman; I was about to inquire into the nature of the Iranian media, but you were a bit quicker with the keyboad stroke...
Regardless, footage of Iraqis celebrating killing americans, interviews with Iraqi civilians, etc. is still real life. Its not like the Iranian government is making that up. They are showing actual footage from Iraq.
And I suppose that images of Iraqis hugging our troops, feeding them and cheering when we take out a Republican guard installation are just scenes shot in Hollywood?
No. I acknowledged the fact that there is video of Iraqis that were joyous. However, most of the population of Iraq would have preferred that the U.S. did not invade them.
And one other thing from the Iranian news channel that I watch... Every footage of Iraqis being joyous that I have seen on the US channels, I have seen on the Iranian channel. However, Ive only seen a handful of clips of Iraqis that celebrate the deaths of the americans on the US channels. On the Iranian channel, I have seen much, much, more footage. The fact of the matter is that the US media shows all the footage they can of Iraqis praising the US, but they show about 1/20 of the footage of Iraqis on the other end of the spectrum.
Oh...so a very representative sample of people who have the same friends, interests, and probably live in the same neighborhood.
