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Three-strikes policy: Egypt military fires AGAIN on unarmed civilians and now reporters.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    They might have shot the driver while he was reversing. In any case, clearly, he was trying to get away from the thugs who had blocked the road with a bus and were chasing him.
     
  2. MiddleMan

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    So are we going to see a spike in gas prices, due from the unrest in Egypt? BTW our nation should not get involved at all nor should our tax dollars.
     
  3. Depressio

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    In other news, 30 Christian churches were burned in Egypt today. Did the churches provoke the Islamists like the Islamists provoked the military?
     
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  4. MiddleMan

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    Well I will pray to the christian and non christian Egyptians that they will find peace in their heart, and to fully rebuild those churches.
     
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    I guess you get used to it after a while.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The military is in a reactive mode. We've seen this military hold a great deal of self-restraint in the disposal of Mubarak and now the MB. Remember, it allowed the MB to come to power in the first place, you can not argue that the MB did not have an opportunity to govern the country. They did a horrifically bad job on both the economy, on creating a constitution, and on creating a democratic platform. It was very clear they were trying to consolidate power and never let it go - their aim being the next Iran. The secular military establishment wanted no part of it.

    Now the MB is on the outside looking in. It has chosen a violent path. The military isn't free of blood by any means. But the provocateur here is the MB - attacking gov't buildings is going to result in a response using deadly force. The MB WANTS blood. They want their people KILLED. It is to delegitimize the military in the people's eyes. You can not be so naive as to understand how complex the situation is. It is extremely so.

    The goal of the U.S. is to avoid Egypt slipping into a civil war. To do that, it has to be seen as a fair broker - one that is not behind ANY side. It can not back the military, nor reject it completely. Which is why Obama is criticizing the military and suspending excercises - it is for SHOW.

    The MB hopes to spur a popular rebellion and secure power that way. The military has to portray the MB as the trouble maker here - if it can do that, and the MB does not gain popular support, it will be forced to come back to th negotiating table.

    It is highly unlikely that they will go to full out war and risk a blood self-annihilation of its political leadership when it essentially had significant political power already. Instead, they will likely realize that there is no way for them to gain the amount of power they are seeking and will come back and negotiate a voice in a new gov't. So they can not go all out in civil war because if they do, there will simply have their leadership wiped out.
     
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    And Sweet Lou 4 2 makes a great contribution... Spot on.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    I think that that is the only part of your post that is wrong. The Muslim Brotherhood is so angry that it is out of power that it has called upon their members to murder everyone in a uniform. This Friday will be extremely bloody. They are like "if we cannot rule it, we want to destroy it" right now.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Bullies getting bullied, and folks in the middle dying, yep sounds like history repeating itself.

    DD
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    Let's see what happens after "Friday prayers".
     
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    I agree with Sweet Lou, and somewhat with ATW. It might not be a full-out war, but it might be a full-out guerrilla battle for the next 24-48h. They want to intimidate the country into giving them what they want, but they know they can't sustain it for long.

    The initial part of Friday prayers is occurring right now. They should start leaving the mosque in about 40 minutes. I fear the destruction that will happen today. There are men in those mosques that have marked today as their day to die...
     
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    I don't mean to be offensive to you, dmc89, but - what does it say about a religion - or the interpretation of the religion by those in the affected places of worship - when people come out of the places of worship angrier and more prone to violence than when they entered the place of worship?

    Shouldn't religious leaders preach peace, forgiveness, "turning the other cheek"?
     
  14. Deji McGever

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    ATW, all the religious leadership in Egypt, including even the Salafists, supported the coup vs. Morsi and are against the MB. The rioters are all MB supporters....it's a very specific cocktail of Islam and politics. The people on the streets doing this are doing so at the request of the leadership of the movement. The Salafists, the mainstream Sunnis, and the Copts have all been telling people to be calm and recognize the curfew, etc.
     
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    You have a twisted and sick perspective.

    He clearly tried to run over protestors. This isn't GTA. You don't run over pedestrians.
     
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    Too late. The US has been involved to some extent this whole time. We give money and weapons to prop up the Egyption military.
     
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    "Protectors"? "Pedestrians"?

    These guys were blocking a major road. He didn't try to tun over them, he was slowly trying to move through the blockade. Then they steered a bus against his car, the thugs tried to charge towards the car, undoubtedly only to have a friendly conversation :rolleyes:, the driver must either have panicked or been shot, lost control, fell off the bridge.
     
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    Every moment that ticks on is America backing the Egyptian military because of your tax dollars going to Egypt.

    until you throw away the keys, don't expect people to respect America's record on human rights.

    The most frustrating part of this is that countries like Syria, and China, will view it as another episode of how, eventually, mass massacres of their own civilians are justified.

    They are NEVER justified. That is the point I have been making for the longest time here.

    Everybody focuses on how the MB did this and that---sure, some are idiots, bring the riot police on them. When this s**t happens in a normal country, that's what you do, instead of having 600 people killed.

    there's a dark dark thread when you take people you think are "undesirable" and assign them punishments---and then live with their repression. The repression has been a thread all throughout Egyptian history. It isn't working. Someone has to jumpstart the nation to realize it.
     
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    Someone has to buy some intelligence for Northbla Fart.
     
  20. Northside Storm

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    ATW, I want to thank you for warming the thread with personal insults, as you seem want to do.

    ;)

    As I don't really particularly think engaging with you is very productive, suffice it to say that I found it amusing that you accused me of crying "wolf" during a third mass massacre by the military, and the imposition of emergency law. This is the worst mass massacre in modern Egyptian history---but of course, I'm "crying wolf". Your attitude on this of dismissing these atrocities has been noted, but even that attitude has to be VERY amusing to contemplate coming from someone who starts threads on local events in Germany.

    Thanks for keeping awareness of this atrocity up, even if you seek to lessen it by lessening the people who were killed in cold blood (which NOBODY deserves).
     

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