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Request for Yao - GET A REBOUND!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Juugie, Apr 3, 2003.

  1. clove

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    I am with heech on this one. Yao is a better than average rebounder. I have a feeling that our expectations for yao is way too high. Like Bradley once pointed out, when you are 7'6, people expects you to block every shot and grab every rebound. Yao looks huge in the lane, he is a big boy, sometimes his almost-rebonds are not really that close to him. But his long reach makes it look like he could get to them.

    bobododo, I disagree with you bro. Why can't one compare yao's rebounding stats with other centers? Which team doesn't rebound together? Also, we have very good rebounders on our team too. How many times have you seen steve or eg TAKE a rebound from yao, when there isn't anyone around. Is there any player in the league that actually gets more tip-bounds than yao? (where he tips a ball to an open team mate for a rebound.)

    The bottom line is, yao is a good rebounder. For someone that doesn't care about his stats, (i.e. letting team mates take rebounds from him, tip to open team mates for a better shot or initiaates a fast break.) yao is still statistically better than majority
    of the centers in the league. His rebounding is not an area he needs to improve right now imo, there are other things he should try to do better.
     
  2. porsche911

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    How can Yao get a rebound when he's on the bench? :rolleyes:
     
  3. munco

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    Yao's rebounding is really sporadic. Some nights it'll be 15 then the next he'll have 4. His rebounding of late has been down, but I'm sure he'll adapt like he's done throughout the year.
     
  4. Juugie

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    All the "per 48 minute" stats can be misleading. Per 48 minutes, Boki is averaging:

    18.1 points 6.9 rebounds 1.25 blocks

    Hell, Jason Collier is averaging 13.4 rebounds per 48 minutes just like Yao Ming!

    I only say this about Yao because I want our team to do well. Having Yao control the boards would go a long way towards that.

    And also, for those who say Yao is not a superstar, so we should not expect those kind of numbers, I say, if you want your All Star point guard and a group of established NBA scorers to defer their offensive games totally to someone, then he'd damned sure better be a superstar!
     
  5. olliez

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    Hell no. Most time Rockets just point fingers or better still, talk trash.
    :rolleyes:
     
  6. fanwq

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    Did you rember Yao grabed 17 rbd in last games?And if he is on low post how could he get the rebound when ball is bounce out of paints?
    Never complain Yao because he has done everything for the team.
     
  7. user

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    I think he does not like to play for this club already. Maybe he will demand a trade later. It's no fun to try to grab missing shots when both sides shot from 18fts and far away.

    The defense and offense of this team suck ass.
     
  8. gotoloveit2

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    You dont know sh#t. Both players you named played minimal miniutes. In order for the numbers to be STATISTICALLY significant, certain amount of playing time needed to be included, otherwise the margin of error will be too large for the results to be valid. DO YOU UNDERSTAND.
    Clearly you bobododo, whatever that means, is a Yao hater. Get off this BB, you aint no Rox fan. Anyone so negative about Yao is no true Rox fan. I bet you posted here just to bash Yao. I am also 5' 11". I'm sure I could outrebound you hand down. The key to good rebounding is boxing out and explosiveness. Only the former could be learnt. You box out with one arm fending off the other player, and the other ready to reach for the rock. If you dont know what that means, look at some vintage tapes on Dennis Rodman. Yao will never be a great rebound, but he IS NOT as bad as you scums portrayed him to be. I am sure Yao could easily get more (defensive) rebounds if he wasnt so generous toward his teammates. How many times did you see Yao boxing out his man or helping out on defense, while letting his teammates have their rebounds. As a matter of fact, during my games I always box out first then go for the rebound. How come these so called professionals couldnt do the same is beyond my understanding.
     
  9. bobododo

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    I base my opinion that Yao is a bad rebounder from watching many Rockets game on T.V. Cant you see it also? The way he doesnt go after anything that doesnt land infront of him? The way when an opponent bump him, the balls falls out? The way he always tips the ball instead of grabbing it strong? I think rebounding is one of the most important thing Yao needs to learn.
     
  10. bobododo

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    True sometimes the guards do like to just shoot bricks all day but you have to blame Yao also. Hes not perfect either and he makes a lot of rookie mistakes:D . I know Yao has potential to be great but I just dont see his intensity. The lack of effort is really what bugs me about him. The way he walks up and down the court sometimes and the way he sometimes just settle for layups(bricks it) when he can dunk it easily. He just needs to be more aggressive and he will be fine. Trying to finese it all day long sometimes just doesnt work.
     
  11. user

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    Yes, he is not aggressive anymore. Remember at the beginning of the season? watching him running up and down the court? I don't think he was lazy to start with.

    He is tired is one reason and he is disgusted is another reason. I don't think he is as excited as before on every point.

    He should grab more rebound but no, he cannot move as fast as francis and jump as high as francis. There are physical limitation to a 7'5" body. You cannot ask steve francis to grow just 5 inches more. He cannot. Yao can grow some more muscle but no, he will not be able to move faster and jump higher.

    Beside, rebounding request skills. Rodman got more rebound not only because he is more aggressive, also because he knows his work. I guess no one work on Yao's rebounding lately because he has other things to work on.

    It takes time to reach the level of grab 12+ rebound and score 30+ points a game, and make 10+ assist. He is improving and using his BRAIN too.
     
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    I completely agree! It is freaking rediculous! Why does Yao goes outside to imbound ball on almost EVERY basket? Is this a rookie treatment? He needs to freaking get over the half court for deep post position!!!
     
  13. rvpals

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    The one about knocking steve on the head is funny. :D

    About the points you raised:

    - You don't have to be aggressive bang with opp to be a good rebounder. You just need to anticipate when people are going to shoot and position yourself and box out.

    - Raise arms up while trying rebound. I think it's better to just raise one arm, not both to keep your opponent from getting the better position and still holds your own position.

    - After watching several games, I think Yao is really good in seeing where the ball is going. Several times, I saw that after balls in the air, while Yao's not in position to get it, he just move quickly in front of his man and tip the ball to himself. I also saw his flash of quickness several times when he's clearly being box out, he just hustle and use his height to grab a rebound.

    From what I see, Yao got all the tools to be a great rebounder. He'll improve. His teammate needs to help boxing out and not leave their man and go after the rebound in gamble.
     
  14. myotuneric

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    I guess if Yao has 10+ rebounds in the next two or three games, there will be another thread that says Yao should have more blocks. :rolleyes:

    With that said, I agree that Yao should be more aggressive and get more rebounds. In some games when his shots were off, he did get like 10+ rebs. But when he scored like 15+ pts, he usually got less rebounds. I guess he just doesn't have enough energy to concentrate on both ends yet.
     
  15. clove

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    first of all: yao needs to be more aggressive, no doubt.

    But like I said before, Yao is NOT a bad rebounder. He averages less than 30min a game, it's kinda hard to get rebounds on the bench. Even considering that he lets(yes, lets) his team mates take rebounds from him, and tips many more to open team mates for a shot or a fast break, he is still one of the better rebounders in the league.(#17 in rpg, #15 in rpg per 48min. btw, cato is #2 in teh league for rpg per 48min, catomic! :eek: )

    Like I said before, his size is actually fooling our brains. He looks huge in the lane, it doesn't matter where the ball bounces to, he SEEMS to be right next to it.

    Could he be a better rebounder? Probably. Is it an area that he needs to work on first(or even one of the first)? In my opinion, no. He is doing fine rebounding wise.

    Maybe he shouldn't let his team mates take his rebounds away anymore, maybe he needs to stop tipping rebounds to team mates, but how would that help the team. Although that'll make him a top 10 rebounder in the league...humm...
     

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