Yeah John walls stats are very comparable to Lins. And when you take his new contract into account I'd easily take Lin over wall. I think because John wall is a big name first rounder people think he's better than he is. Now I don't think Lin will be a star like someone stated above, BUT I think he had star potential. Linsanity wasn't a fluke like tebow time. He's legit.
If you want to build a championship team from scratch, then Wall is a no brainer. If you already have your stars but you need good players to surround them with then it's Lin and his much cheaper contract. Wall, very much like Lin early on in the season, was suffering from injuries. Wall's post all-star break numbers are 20/8/5 on 45% FG, compared to his pre all-star break numbers of 15/7/3 on 43% FG. This is no knock on Lin but I'm sure every GM would take Wall over Lin if they were both on the same contract.
Simply compare their FG% is not accurate. Lin's D is better than Wall and his FG% in crunch time is the highest in the Rockets.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/qa-jeremy-lin-1 JCF: As we get closer to the end of the season, the games obviously take on added importance meaning there’s frequently an increased emphasis on clutch play. I looked up your clutch numbers for this season and they’re pretty impressive (51.9 percent shooting from the field and 66.7 percent shooting from beyond the arc in the last five minutes of games in which the Rockets either lead or trail by five points or fewer). So the first question I want to ask is: do you believe in the concept of clutch? JL: Yeah, I believe that. I believe that some players relish that time and other players struggle during that time. I think I’ve always been a player who’s done better in the second half, who’s done better in the fourth quarter. That’s the fun time to play when everything you’ve worked for the whole game boils down to those last few possessions.
Keep in mind though, Wall is the primary ball handler and isn't playing with any stars. Idk if the averages are available for when jeremy lin is the primary handler, or when harden was hurt, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if his numbers were as good if not better than Walls. Wall's good but i don't consider him an elite pg.
I think the stats you are looking for are his lib sanity days. But another is when harden went out for a few games last yr with an ankle injury. I remember he had a break game with sa. I think overall wall has a more refined game, Lin is not as polished.
When I heard about Walls new contract, I instantly thought that Lin had similar stats with wall, and in my opinion showed just the same upside. Wall got 80 million, Lin has his 25 mil contract. But we will never know because Lin was overlooked in his draft and didn't go in the first round. Wall played amazing in the second half the last season though, but I think Lin did play with better players surrounding him in NY, and now the Rockets. Lin was never given a chance to be given the keys like Wall did and a team willing to build around him because he was never scouted fairly, nor drafted first round. Still would take Lin over Wall.
Wall has greater potential but consider this. Wall is getting paid mostly because in the last 20 some game of last year, he was finally healthy and good at the same time. this was his production from March 1st to the end of the season. .547% True Shooting .30% USG 113 OrTG Meanwhile, Jeremy Lin from March 1st until the end of the season .571True shooting percentage 23% USG 110 OrTG Lin was tremendously efficient in that span (in comparison, Harden, one of the league's most efficient guard, was around .583 TS during that same span.) and the most impressive thing about it was that almost everything (except rebound) was up across the table while he was taking up higher usage, when usually efficiency go down in that sort of situation, it's too bad the immediate events afterwards made people forget this. Wall was still better because A. he did make up for that relative lower efficiency with volume and more importantly B. his Assist to Turn over ratio during that span was insanely great. where As Lin Improved but was only up to the point of being solid. With Wall, the main fear (outside of health) is really that his scoring efficiency falls below the Allen Iverson line and thus become a liability. but everything else is awesome, with Lin, everything else is ok but he's show multiple stretches where he's a very very efficient scorer and some signs of improving the secondary stuff. (especially the turnovers.) Also, interesting to note, that RAPM suggest Lin was probably our best defensive guard last year result wise. and this wasn't out of line with his Knicks season. he's not a GREAT defender by any means, but the under lying numbers suggest he's at worst average. which seems to be very different from some people's perception. Lin isn't really showing super star potential or anything, but there is more than enough there to suggest he can be an extremely good role player. and for 8M that would be a steal. because there are far far fewer guys how really is better than an extremely good role player than you'd think, even with his early struggles last year, RAPM graded him out to be within the top 100 starters
You should just start a thread with this, and let the GARM explode. Haters and his over-zealous fans would really go nuts.
There are only 150 starters... Top 100 ain't exactly great. Once again, stats only get you so far. Subjectivity only takes you so far. It's a fine balance and it's almost like you have it or you don't You have a good feel for the game, or you don't. Just like in the game.
When your a guy who has played only 120 ish games scattered across 3 season, almost your entire career is quite subjective, let's point this out first. taking a look at his last 23 regular season game seem to be to me, more relevant than most other cherry picked stats. and it's about 1/5 of his career minutes, so you know, not exactly a tiny sample size for him. Your right that 100 out of 150 is not particularly great for 8m, but it's not particularly terrible either, let's point out the 2 RFA that got 8m this off season both finished behind him, as did the UFA G that was rumored to be S&T target with Lin (aka Calderon.) At the end of the day, as I pointed out, his entire career is small sample, there's no doubt going to be subjectivity whenever you make any sort of observation on him, this of course, bites both way.
I agree with rollingwave in terms of the comparison, Using that time frame that john wall go paid for, and comparing it to the same time frame that lin played is a legit comparison. Wall got paid because of it, it was no different than how Lin got paid from his break out period with the knicks but the world is upset that lin got 8mil when wall got a max extension. There is a bit of baised out there and there are a lot of reason for it, 1. him being undrafted/scouted 2. his projection of growth projection 3. Race (i think this is a subject that goes both ways. the premise that he isnt worth the contract because he is asian and also the premise that because he is asian he gets paid more for the influence on the asian community) 4. Current worth. But really to me the real comparison is what Lin & Wall are getting paid next season. 8.3 (lin) vs 7.4 (Wall). Their stat lines last years show that on the surface wall is the better player but if you factor in the fact that Wall's usage is 8.1 points higher than Lins, you can see why Walls stat line is ultimately better. If you were to factor in the same usage for lin as wall the results show that Lin and Wall are similar players in terms of comparing their stats apples to apples. Now if you were to do this with all PGs that had roughly the same adjusted stat line as both wall and lin, you'd get a base line for the worth of the contract. I wouldnt be surprised if the data shows that Lin is getting paid close to value or even slightly better than value. While Wall is getting paid under value (because he is still on his rookie scale contract). I haven't done the math but if someone wants to that would be great.
For perspective, considering there are up to 15 players on a team's roster, to be a starter, you are already better than up to 2/3 of all players in the NBA. To be in the top 100, you are better than 1/3 of the players starting in the NBA. Can someone estimate the average salary for the players between 90 and 100?
Hey if both the super chuck brothers (Jennings and Ellis) can get 25million, why is Lin considered overpaid? Hell look at that ludicrous contract Wall got and Lin dominates that dude every time they play. People on clutch fans been spoiled by Morey deals but Lin is getting paid average money. People just too blind to see it.
