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Christopher Cervini

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  1. gwayneco

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  2. CometsWin

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    I guess you'll have to explain the point your trying to make. There look to have been at least two living witnesses to the killing besides the shooter. What was their testimony? Certainly sounds dubious that he needed to shoot a kid. Did he not get arrested and charged for two months?
     
  3. JayZ750

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    I think you're being purposely obtuse. You know the point he's trying to make. And it's a point which has some validity. No two cases are identical. The fact that there was one which is as similar as these seem to be, is frankly pretty amazing.
     
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    No, what drew outrage in this case was the lack of an arrest, lack of charges being filed, and the fact that the teenage victim was unarmed and might have been racially profiled. Was that the case here?
     
  5. JayZ750

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    GZ shouldn't have been arrested in retrospect. He was proven not guilty.

    It's a different state with different laws. NY doesn't have stand your ground law. Of course, the guy in NY ALSO shouldn't have been arrested in retrospect.

    The teenage victim in the link posted also appears to be unarmed. we have a clearer understanding in that case that the victim even though unarmed was the "instigator" of threatening behavior - despite an attempt by his cousin during the trial to lie and say that they did nothing but hold their hands in the air. We don't have that clear view in the TM case, though it does appear that GZ was definitely being beat on.

    But people don't seem to be upset over a lack of knowledge. They seem to genuinely believe that TM wasn't being aggressive or had any possibility of being the instigator of the violent activity. We know he was being followed. That doesn't preclude him from being the instigator, though.

    Much of the racial elements of the TM-GZ case seem to be media driven. As you note... it may have been racially motivated. More likely, it was just socioeconomically motivated, with an age factor as well. Replace TM with white thug looking dude, and I suspect the outcome is the same, except for all the attention.

    A black person CAN look suspicious without race having anything to do with it.

    There are a ton of similarities in the cases. They aren't perfectly comparable.
     
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    Wait - these two things aren't equivalent. Everyone who is found not guilty (which is not the same as being proven innocent) should not ever have been arrrested or tried? Should OJ Simpson not have been arrested?

    A guilty verdict has a higher burden of proof than a trial and arrest.
     
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    Apparently.

    Even being found not guilty doesn't make somebody innocent, nor does it mean they should have been found not guilty. The system makes mistakes.
     
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    NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE

    we taking this to the streets of LA!!!

    *snort*
     
  9. JayZ750

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    I'm not arguing over whether someone should have been arrested and held and provided bail or whatnot. I don't really care. I'm making the point that GZ has been declared not guilty. As such, all the "furor" over the time it took to arrest/charge him at the beginning of the case was misplaced. People have every right to be as/more upset at the fact that tax dollars seem to have been wasted because law enforcement/prosecution was "pressured" into moving forward with a case here.

    True enough. The system isn't perfect...

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    These are very very very very similar cases. Not exactly the same. Finding an exact replica of the TM case with the races reversed is impossible. But this is about as close as you'll probably find...

    ... and it does speak volumes to me about the racial aspect of the case. I am VERY confident that had either (i) TM been white, or (ii) GZ been black (and TM been either white or black), that this wouldn't be anywhere close to the national news story it is, if it became a national news story at all.
     
  10. Major

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    Totally disagree - I think you're missing the cause of the furor. Black people and Hispanic (or white) people get into violent confrontations all the time - there's not a furor over it. Shootings happen every day, both aggressive and in self-defense - these aren't national stories.

    The uniqueness was concern over a shoddy investigation by a police department that has at least a few known instances of covering up / ignoring crimes against black people, in a city that has a long and ugly racial history and a lack of trust between the black community and the PD. It involved things like the fact that TM was left in the morgue for several days with no attempt to ID him (despite the fact that he had a cell phone on him and was reported missing) - knowing who the victim is, what he was doing, and why he was there seem like key pieces of an investigation. And the fact that the officer in charge was one that had previously ignored a crime against a black homeless man that he directly witnessed. Those are the kinds of things that made this case unique - none of that is relevant in these other crimes people keep listing to be "similar".

    The uniqueness of the case is what made it a national story. Then it morphed after that into something bigger and encompassing things like SYG and self-defense laws and whatever else - but that's not what made it a big story.
     
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    What made it a national story was the DOJ saw an opportunity to join forces with the Crumptards in order to energize Obama's base in an election year.
     
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    Except that it became a national story before the DOJ ever weighed in, so that can't be true. You're trying to rewrite history the way you want - but that doesn't make it true.
     
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    The Crumptards knew the DOJ was going to get involved from the get go, so they started organizing and the DOJ started helping them organize protests against Zimmerman. It was red meat to the Democratic base.
     
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    Quite the fantasy world you live in.
     
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    You're welcome in advance.
     
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    Trayvon's uncle worked in local govt for Miami-Dade Co. and the info was forwarded to the DOJ's CRS on March 9. No, the DOJ did not start the ball rolling, but they gave the Crumptards momentum and very early assistance for agit-prop.
     
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    Did we ever get a crumptard definition from crazy?
     
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    I saw someone with fairly right wing leanings post about this case on Facebook making the point that the shooter in this case was black while the victim was white and asking where all the white anger was over this case was.

    I would need to know a lot more about this case but it does sound like Scott was irresponsible in confronting Cervini.
     
  19. DAROckets

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    Haven't even seen this mentioned on the news even once and I watch a lot .

    Interesting about all the outrage saying a 5'7 zimmermen should have just manned up against the 6'3 martin . This guy looks like he could play nose tackle for an nfl team .

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    Martin wasn't 6'3". Where are you getting this crap from? Martin was just LESS than 6 feet.
    http://questiontrack.com/trayvon-martins-height-why-is-it-misrepresented-379109.html
     

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