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Blazers edge mailbag - "Asik and Aldridge"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by megastahr, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. baller4life315

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    Not much of a drop off between LMA and Scola/Patterson/Morris? You can't be serious. There's more to judging a player's impact than just saying, "Oh, he's only an 18-8 player".

    And, again, you cling to this "LMA will gut the team" theory. LMA's cap hit is less than Lin/Asik's combined. Their contracts are the same length. Why are you so convinced Parsons walks if acquire we Aldridge but stays with Lin/Asik when we have his Bird rights either way? Not to mention, Parsons is under contract for the duration of LMA's current contract....but he's still going to walk? I don't get it. We might have to surrender him in a trade, that's one thing, but this idea that LMA means Parsons walks makes no sense to me.

    Speaking of puzzling arguments, $56-60-65M. That's what the Miami trio is owed the next three years. $48M is what would be owed to a trio of Harden/LMA/Harden for the year. And at this point, when we've already made moves and we're this deep into free agency, who is left that you're so worried about missing out on?
     
  2. formido

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    Jrue Holiday isn't remotely in the same stratosphere as Asik in his effect on winning and losing games.

    http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

    Disagree if you like, but Morey evaluates players by adjusted +/- first and there's no way he likes Holiday over Asik, not even a little.
     
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  3. Phillyrocket

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    I had this same thought and lurked on a Pistons board for some insight. The hot and heavy rumor is Monroe for Rondo which makes sense for both teams. Pistons fans see Monroe similarly to how we see Parsons and don't want to give him up for Rondo, Lin is just laughable. Apparently Dumars and co are going to try Smith at the three with Monroe and Drummond all together.

    And you guys thought Asik and Howard frontcourt was ludicrous....
     
  4. Moonscope

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    Now that Camby is being bought out I could see Morey pursuing him to replace Asik as the backup center. Use the room exception on Camby and trade Asik with TJones/D-Mo and picks for LMA.

    Lin/Beverley/Caanan
    Harden/Williams
    Parsons/Garcia/Casspi
    Aldridge/D-Mo/Casspi
    Howard/Camby/Smith

    I can see that team winning a championship in the next 2 years.
     
  5. benchmoochie

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    I was thinking That too but sounds too easy
     
  6. Hui

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    If TJones score 40 plus points in SL they probably would have
     
  7. nejyh

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    Find Some way to include Rajon Rondo going to the Pistons
    sending Greg Monroe and maybe J Lin to the Celtics and that can be actually be a very viable trade.
     
  8. Ming The King

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    Maybe we can inclued the Bucks in the trade

    Bucks S&T Jennings to Detroit, Detroit sent Monroe to Portland, LMA to Houston and Rockets sent Lin Papanicolau (they want him) and pics to the Bucks
     
  9. TheGoldenGreek

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nyqhcgh
    Rockets acquire Aldridge, Blazers acquire Asik and TJones, Celtics acquire Greg Monroe and Pistons acquire Rondo.

    I didn't send Lin to the Celtics because I think they're "Riggin' for Wiggins" and Lin might make them too competitive. Acquiring a talented young center falls in line with their rebuilding though. Picks could also go to the Celtics.

    Detroit gets another star-caliber player and a nice core of Rondo/Smith/Drummond.

    I feel like Portland would only agree to this deal if TJones comes out and plays the way we think he can to start the year. Plus they get an elite rim protector in Asik. We could also send our picks Portland's way if they need some convincing.
     
  10. Cstyle42

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    This team could three peat with championships.
     
  11. bluffkin

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    :grin:
     
  12. meh

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    Wait, when did Morey say stuff like this?

    I actually checked this stat a while back. Let's just say if you check Hakeem's stats for our championship years, it doesn't exactly pass the common sense test. Compare Hakeem's offense in mid-90s vs. Harden last year.
     
  13. megastahr

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    thank you!
     
  14. Hak34

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    You ever hear of hyperbole? No way all salaries being equal Morey doesnt take anyone of those players listed over Asik. Not a chance in hell. Morey also stated Lin was a top something or other in win shares for the Rockets.
     
  15. Hak34

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    For what? According to that list Paul Milsap, Tyson Chandler, and Chris Freaking Anderson are mkre valuable than James Harden. Lol....advance analytics the answer to that. Si your saying Morey would pick Chris Anderson over James Harden?
     
  16. jdjd

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    Are you serious?? You can't possibly believe anything your saying in this post, or you simply don't know enough about basketball to comment. 1st: Acquiring LMA would not mean gutting the entire team (Parson's and Beverly could be kept). Hakeem won the championship alone with nothing but defenders and spot up shooters, so that argument is week. I trust Morey could find quality bench players to fill the other bench positions. 2nd: The thought that Dwight and Aldridge couldn't coexist in the paint or in the lane? So how does SA do it with Duncan and Splitter? or Memphis with Gasol and Randolph? As long as one of the big men can hit the 10 to 20 foot j along with decent passing ability it will work out fine. 3rd: As far as Miami, they all took less money to make their contracts work together, not for the role players, (that's why they only have vet min contracts), and the NBA rules allow you to go over the salary cap for exceptions once your at the cap, you may have to pay the tax but so what. And even that argument is weak because they are the two time champs, so yeah I'll take three stars and two rings it that's what it gets you. 3rd: Having as much talent as you can possibly have on one team is NEVER a bad idea. There is always the fact of injuries that will occur among other things. Even if their individual stats do drop, so what, it's about team. By your logic, the showtime lakers couldn't have won with Magic, Kareem, and Worthy, no that's just too many stars on one team...smh ... 4th: and final, if you think there's not much of a drop off in the games of LMA to Scola and Morris, you don't know much about the two ends of the court in basketball. LMA is an above average defender, which Scola nor Morris will ever be. IJS
     
  17. jdjd

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    Why is everyone on here arguing apples to oranges? Comparing a center to a point guard to say who's the better player is just like saying my running back is a better player than your linebacker because of his rushing yards. I know sports are slow and we don't have much to argue about right now, but this??:confused:
     
  18. larsv8

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    Heres a new one:

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/7/1...aldridges-camp-discuss-trade-possibilities-no

    I feel like it is only a matter of time before we land Aldridge.
     
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  19. roslolian

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    LOL Pro tip: Don't write one huge wall of text, break it up into paragraphs.

    Parsons won't be kept because there isn't enough space to sign LMA and Parsons in 2 years, when both of them become FAs. Hakeem only won 2 years out like 10+ years of front court dominance and generally being one of the best centers the league has ever seen. That's not exactly an accomplishment bro, if Houston didn't have a C of Hakeem's caliber then they wouldn't have won at all.

    Duncan and Splitter don't make 20M each. Gasol and Randolph both make the max, but their team isn't considered a serious contender. And do you think Gasol is already showing all he can do? Or is he being underutilized because Z-BO is taking so many shots? MG can't maximize his talents because ZBO is in the lane with him.

    LOL do you have money that we can use to pay luxury tax? If not then why are you talking about paying the tax when it's someone else's money we're talking about? We don't know if Alexander will pay the tax or not, so it's not good to assume he will. Miami 3 stars include LBJ, do our 3 stars include LBJ? No, then why are you using it as a model for success when we don't have the biggest factor in Miami winning a ring?

    I'm not against talent, I like talent on the team. But this isn't 2k, you can't just add "big names" willy nilly without cap implications. I think retaining Parsons+our bench+either Asik or Lin is more important than copying Miami's big 3 model. We won't get vet min guys the quality Miami has, if you're a rign chaser why go to Houston and be shipped out for a$$ets when you could party in South beach with the 2x champs? A new model is required, and I think a big 2+deep team is better than big 3+vet mins/dleaguers.

    Btw Magic, Kareem and Worthy didn't make the max all at the same time. SMH :rolleyes:
     
  20. mikeyharris

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    Asik, Lin, TJones, and draft picks for Aldridge
    Sign Camby
    Sign Miller

    C: Howard/Camby/Smith
    PF: Aldridge/Dmo
    SF: Parsons/Casspi/Covington
    SG: Harden/Miller/Garcia/Williams
    PG: Beverley/Canaan/Young
     

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