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Is Jeremy Lin really overpaid?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LCII, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. tminusrex

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    Morey wants to wait til Christmas or Lin's birthday before he cuts him
     
  2. TC777JLIN168

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    Are the pics in your sig yours?
     
  3. Fair Dinkum

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    I sense real desperation from the Lin haters.

    They're comments are getting WEAK.
     
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  4. SF3isBack!!

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    Sarcasm meter broken?
     
  5. Knickskiller

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    High 5 ! Looking good for now. Reason has returned
     
  6. TC777JLIN168

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    Butt hurt still? And now your Gorgi is probably going to play behind Bledsoe. Tears.

    Srsly I like Dragic and follw him for years but am no longer sure he's got what it takes to become a great pg. He has had the luxury backing up Nash and then played on the Rockets and now the Suns again. But to become a great pg first has to be a great people leader. unfortunately DG has not shown that natural instinct. Can he learn and grow? I hope so. He is still young. unlike Kidd who's a natural leader, Nash didn't fully grasp it and had his breakout until 30. So there is hope for DG.
     
  7. larsv8

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    Just because Calderon was overpaid doesn't mean Lin is not also overpaid.

    No it isn't.

    Go to Shamsports and look up and down salaries.
     
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  8. Chef_Monteur

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    All NBA players are overpaid, imo. Though, hopefully the long term effects of the new CBA will help improve that some.
     
  9. TC777JLIN168

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    Rather overpay the players than the owners keep the profits to themselves, which was what happened before the players union bargaining.
     
  10. Chef_Monteur

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    Why do we want the owners OR the players to be overpaid? How about the fans? Without us, most of these guys would be working at Burger King. And, do you know how much tickets are going for these days? The working man cannot afford to take his wife and kids to games anymore, which to me is a damn shame.
     
  11. Cstyle42

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    In the words of Ed Reed, "I just want ya to ball out!" I can see Lin playing well this upcoming season.
     
  12. PeppermintCandy

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    This is an obvious point, but since almost every player probably signs with the team that valued his service the most monetarily, then he is being overpaid in the eyes of the other teams because they refused to offer the same amount. So, all the PGs mentioned by the OP, including Lin, are by this definition being overpaid. (Unless they intentionally took less money to play with their team.)

    However, the question is how much of a gap there is between the contract they signed, and the next offer that they've received. According to Clutch's recent article, the Rockets' initial offer to Lin ($6 mil. to 6.5 mil./year) was probably the best received by Lin and more than what any other team offered. And then Morey increased the offer by ANOTHER $2 million more per year, just to make sure the Knicks would not match.

    Given this situation, I would surmise that Lin's contract has the biggest gap between the one signed and the next biggest offer. Hence, he would be the most overpaid.
     
  13. meh

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    Yes. Because if Jeremy Lin was on the FA market this offseason, would he get a 3yr/$25mil contract? The answer is of course not. Not when the likes of OJ Mayo, JJ Redick got less than that. Not when Brandon Jennings doesn't even have a taker right now. And would the Rockets have given him this contract this offseason? Also definitely not.

    Now, if one were to ask the question, "Can Jeremy Lin perform at a level that will make $8mil/yr look reasonable or even underpaid?" Then there's definitely a possibility. Perhaps I give too much credit to his Linsanity days, but I do believe he has that potential to be a great player. Whether he can reach that, IMO is still up in the air.
     
  14. kastuul

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    Why some Rockets fans are hype on Jose Calderon??
    He is 7M PG and 31years old.

    Ask Raptor fans about his defense. They agree Lowry is better one.
     
  15. FearTheBeardJH

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    He is overpaid, but most players in that 8M range are.
     
  16. calmdowntime

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    It is natural that the money value of 1 player increases exponentially with the relative scarcity of his talent. That's why there's such a salary jump from players with 1M contracts, to 3M, to 8M, to 15M. Players with those medium sized contracts seem overpaid but only in comparison to the fact that anyone with a max contract is by definition underpaid (possibly very underpaid).
     
  17. AVoiceInACrowd

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    It's always been one of my pet peeves that people kept saying that Lin isn't earning his contract, that his salary is "ridiculous".

    Look at the 3 pgs who made slightly more than Lin last year at 8.5 million. Mo Williams, Devin Harris and Rodney Stuckey. Only Stuckey played more than 58 games. He played 76 games. Averaged 11.5 points and 3.6 assists while shooting 40.6%, 30.2% and 78.3%. Now these 3 who made more than Lin, you can say didn't earn their salary because of a combination of missed games and bad performance.

    Link to nba salaries last year:http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries/_/page/2
     
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  18. getbloodyred

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    Honestly, I'm kind of disturbed that some of you don't recognize that Lin is one year younger than Teague, two years younger than Dragic, and 6 years younger than Calderon. If you want to truly compare these players on a level playing field. Compare the first season that each player was given serious PT. Lin averaged more points than anyone on the list, second most assists, third best 3P % (better than Dragic), worst FG%, most turnovers. Click here to check them out

    Point is, Jeremy Lin is doing fine for his age and for his experience. With Howard, and mroe chances to use a PnR, Lin will do completely fine in the league. Possibly prove that he is a top 15 starting PG in the league (meaning above average)
     
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  19. kastuul

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    I am tired of the over/underpaid argument.

    It's GMs job. They should be accountable.

    The rockets could offer Lin a 3 years contract when he was undrafted in 2010.
    Or didn't waive him in Christmas.
     
  20. Nubmonger

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    I really don't understand the point of this discussion. It's a proxy for the "Jeremy Lin sucks" argument. If you think he's a bad player, then obviously he's overpaid. If you think he's an average starter or better, then he's paid about right (or possibly even underpaid if you value "potential" and/or "youth").

    The people who think he sucks will continue to think he sucks regardless of anything that happens in this thread. Ditto for the people who think he's great.

    The only way this is going to change is when we see how Lin performs next season. Even then, I seriously doubt anyone is really going to change their mind. Beacuse if he performs as a Top 5 PG, many of the haters will just say that he's "overrated" instead of just "crap". And if his performance goes down the tubes, some people will say that he has the talent but is under-performing because of the coach/the system/the other players/injuries/etc. etc. etc.

    Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that someone actually manages to win this ridiculous argument. "Jeremy Lin is overpaid" is now a fact, like water is wet and the sky is blue and yo mama is fat. What then? Are you going to scream in the internet about how right you are and how this makes you a better person than everyone else who was wrong? Are you going to start a letter campaign to Daryl Morey and Les Alexander telling them to get rid of an overpaid player on your precious basketball team? Seriously. Tell me what happens next.

    Someone, somewhere, is going to disagree with you about something. The internet just makes it easier to see these people, because the amount of energy it takes to spout nonsense has become exponentially easier, and the number of people who take advantage of anonymity to become huge douchewads has grown exponentially as well.

    I highly recommend some people here should seriously evaluate the amount of time you spend arguing with someone you don't even know, on the internet, about things that you have absolutely no actual control over. At some point, both sides have yelled at each other so much that they've gone deaf in the process and are just arguing because they don't know how to do anything else.
     
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