I would too, either that or keep him. Depends on how long you think it will be before we can compete I suppose. I think we could be competitive in a couple of years, and Bud could be a big part of that. If someone wants to overpay, then great, if not then keep him
So you don't think there is a place for a 30 HR guy, who strikes out a lot? Even if that player is hitting 7th or so in a strong lineup? Everyone in the lineup can't be a star
The only legit anti carter argument at this point is his age makes this look like a fluke. other than that i came to this thread to support a major markt radio hos saying Norris should be their all star. i love bud Norris.
I think part of the difference with Altuve is he just doesn't have a ton of projectability to go with the youth. For a classic counterpoint, take Manny Machado -- he's on pace for all of 11 HRs this year, but I'm sure the Orioles see him as a future 30+ HR guy. Some of those doubles will likely start becoming HRs, and you can see it coming down the line. Given Altuve's stature, it's not like you expect the power/slugging to take an uptick. Maybe more doubles, but you just can't reasonably project him to ever be a 15-20 HR. His speed is good, but he's already in the 30-40 SB range, and is unlikely to be a Juan Pierre type of base threat. That leaves you with the hit tool. Sure, maybe he can consistently hit .310 or so, but he's in the .280-.290 range as it is. The biggest you could hope for is an improvement in the walk rate. People have talked about it with regard to pitching and Cosart, and strikeouts and Springer, but something like a walk rate is really hard to change dramatically because it's part of your overall approach as a hitter. Altuve's approach has always been about being aggressive and making contact. It just doesn't lend itself to a good walk rate, and thus his OBP will rely on him having a high batting average. I'd be curious if there are any examples of players who started with a high contact rate and adjusted their approach to dramatically increase their walk rate. Otherwise, you can hope he brings himself from a .290 hitter to a .300+ hitter consistently, but he is the player he's going to be already.
His K rate actually has come down, he got off to a very rough start 49 K in 118 PA for a 2.4 rate vs a 10.7 BB rate Since 66K in 197 PA for a 3.0 rate vs a 7.9 BB rate Last season he had 3.1 K rate, so I think that 3 range is more where he is, which is still bad, but not historically terrible. He's gonna K a lot, but if he can walk a decent amount and hit 30 HR he can be a valuable bat in the lineup.
Nice to see Norris keep pitching well, especially last night. Maybe we can run off a mean 2 game win streak today!
Time is now to trade Bud Norris. Don't think his value could get much higher... except if teams increasing grow desperate closer to the trading deadline.
There is, but not when the same person is awful in the field, and strikes out 35% of the time. Adam Dunn strikes out nearly that much, but hits 40 HRs and has posted a total negative WAR over the last 3 years. It is down from 42% in April. It was 35% in June, which is up from 32% in May. That is historically bad.
I agree I never want to see him in field, just saying as DH and 7 hole guy he is fine. Unless we are planning on spending like the Yankees we ain't gonna have 9 guys in the lineup superior to carter.
If we have an almost exclusive DH like Carter, I like him to be very good offensively. If he could play the field even average, I'd be content with his offense. Then he'd be Carlos Pena.
Ok well, in my opinion is he isn't good enough to DH and Altuve isn't good enough to play 2b, our expectations will only be met with a 200 million payroll. Doubt that will happen. Just my opinion
Altuve is good enough to play 2B, he's just a replaceable cog in the wheel. I want a lineup filled with average to above average players. Not guys that cost $20M/year. No superstars, just good solid players.
Well I think a great team will have about 6 solid every day players and a few star level. I think Altuve and Carter are solid mlb players as is Castro. I think they are guys we can win with, as long as we aren't counting in them to be the star level guys. I guess we just disagree on how good Altuve and Carter are cause I certainly see them as solid players. Have a great 4th
