I will boycott anything that pig Michael Moore does

wow, that's a lot of steam there. Thanks, B-bob.

I never knew that Nader was rich (silly me), since the New York Times only reported his motel-dwelling, hard-campaigning side.

 

Not rich at all compared to Dubya. But he's easily worth millions and makes six figures per year. Here's a nice review from The Street in October of 2000.

 

Woofer,
I think that a lot of policies were adopted of their own volition and just happen to be in opposition to Clinton's, but I see where you get that impression, and I can't argue against that. I have no ideas what motivated most of the policy-making since I am not them. I just hope that isn't the case because there were a few arenas where Clinton had the right idea.

About your next post, where did you find that Iraq has a high per capita ownership of weapons? I think that Saddam's supporters probably have lots of guns, but it doesn't seem right that his opponents would have lots of guns. I think the Kurds have more guns per capita and they do not live under Saddam's thumb. But I don't think the people in the city have many and they are the ones that are really suffering under his rule.

 

I didn't see the speech but Bowling for Columbine was a great, provocative movie. I don't like Charlten Heston's politics at all and think he has been an incredibly insensitive, biased, & negative individual for our country and various communities, but I would have missed out if I did not watch Planet of the Apes.

BTW The historical accuracy of all the elements to BfC is not what makes it interesting or relevant--it is the subjective and cultural (fear, violence) elements it idenitifies. And it also doesn't fit into a simply pidgin hole like guns rights is the key cause of murder in our country--as he readily points out Canada has more guns per capita and less gun crime. If you don't see the movie you have missed out on a much deeper and more interesting movie then you would think based on his speech (if you call it that).

 

The inaccuracies are what discredits his message. Without evidences how is Moore's rant any more important than anyone else's?

 

Man this guy needs to concentrate on multiplying transistors on integrated circuits and shut the fork up.

 

Have you seen the movie? It is the culture identified and subjective elements & testimonies that make it so interesting. It also shy's away from simplistic explanations. As another said the whole "Bowling for Columbine" thing is more metaphor than anything. Whether the kids went out a bowled that morning or not really doesn't affect the movie.

To me those that are trying to discredit his movie (I am not speaking about his little speech) based on some historical fibs even if there must not have seen the movie at all or totally missed the most interesting parts.

 

A link first posted by Hammer755


BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE: Truth or Fiction?

 

I think all you need to know from the above link is as follows....

"Unfortunately, the Academy seems to have considered Rule 11 as dispensible so long as the film in question is one attacking one Charlton Heston, and the NRA."
-David T. Hardy [who has for the last year been working on his own, honest, second amendment documentary]

IMO Hardy misses many of the key and most interesting themes to the movie. Hardy doesn't even bring up IMO the most powerful element to the movie, the sequence with Terry Nichols (sp.) brother. This article is a hatchet job that missed the most interesting elements of the movie. Sinohero, you also never answered if you saw the movie, or are you only responding to 2nd hand critiques.

 

Agreed. The way it was written suggests to me that Hardy never bothered to actually view the movie....just hates Michael Moore and wanted to rag on him.

 

u know it is people like this guy who is a celebrity and hes not afraid to speak up the truth , speak his mind. and also american like macbeth, gylnch, b-bob and many other poster here give me hope that america still has good peoples with conscience left. u can say i am anti-bush, anti-american , or i am pro saddam or whatever u want me to label me as. u know after u see picture after picture what this war is about, how terrible this war is. war really isnt a solution.... , i mean is it worth it to go againist majority of the world poplulation, break so many rules , to go on a preventive war with potential or imagine threat?!
if all the ameriacn were like treeman n sinohero ... what this world will turn into.............

 

Yeah, and this is my problem with it. He had a best- selling book, a movie that critics generally liked, and plenty of tv appearances. Why make this stupid speech now?

 

Well if it wasn't for war I'm sure Heil Hitler will be a very smart thing to say. I think the US standing up against the Germans saved most of Europe (maybe teh Russians woudl have held tehm off but the rest was in trouble)

War isn't an easy choice, but it's a choice. We tried negotiating with Saddam and it didn't work. Sometimes war is the answer.

 

There are extremists on both sides of every important issue. They just sling mud and rehash irrelevant points (such as the 2000 election is to the current war issue) again and again. It's these people who make discussing issues intelligently so difficult. While they have the right to say their stupid things, the public should also exercise their right to bash them as mercilessly as they can.

Simply having the right to say some things doesn't make what you say right. Simply having the gut to say stupid things doesn't make you respectable.

Off topic: I don't like people using the entertainment media to push their political agenda. When I go to see a movie (or read a fiction) to get entertained, I'd get very annoyed to see that the producer/writer is trying to embed some political message in the story, whether I agree with the message or not.

 

People have just been talking about this article and how it comes off like this didn't even see the movie. He's just as bias as moore and it's pretty evident.


It's funny to me, Moore is a life long member of the NRA, never really did anything about the gun issue before, then Columbine happens and he springs into action. Is it possible that seeing kids killing eachother affected him. It's not like he wants to ban guns. That's what people are automatically assuming. They haven't seen the movie and just think that Moore is out to take away their 2nd ammendment rights. One of the most interesting questions he asks is how is it possible that Canada, a country that has tons of guns as well, aren't killing eachother? He's trying to figure our why it happens. He asks Heston and he replies that it's just our violent history. So then Moore shows images of WWII and WWI, both started in Europe, and wonders hwo that makes sense. Then Heston makes a pretty racist remark that the reason there's violence in America is because or society is more racially diverse. Either way, it's an interesting movie that doesn't give answers, it just asks questions. I think too many of you wrote it off because you expected him to demand that you give up your guns. Well, he doesn't do that, so I hope some of you reconsider.

Anybody remember how he was told that Canadiens don't lock their doors, then he went door to door seeing if it was true. Grizzled can probably answer that one for us.

 

Moore is coming to UT...

Dear UT student,

The Student Endowed Centennial Lectureship (SECL), the only entirelystudent-run organization that brings speakers to campus, would like to invite you to attend our Spring Centennial Lecture Program with Oscar-Winning Filmmaker and Best-Selling Author Michael Moore on Monday, April 14, 2003 at the LBJ Auditorium.

Free tickets will be available to all students and staff on Thursday, March 27, starting at 9am at these locations:

1) Gregory Gym (Front Desk)
2) Main Building (Info Desk)
3) Student Services Building (SSB) -
4th floor Student Organization Center Window
4) Texas Union Program Office (Room 4.312)

To get tickets, please bring your UT ID with you, between the hours of 9am and 5pm to any of these locations, and you will be entitled to two tickets.

Our speaker was chosen by students in an online poll of over 8,000 votes, including Dan Rather, Maya Angelou, John Walsh, Steve Forbes, and Bill Bennett.

For more event info, please visit our website, www.utexas.edu/students/secl

-------------------------------------------------
About the Speaker

Michael Moore is the highly acclaimed and outspoken documentary filmmaker of "Bowling for Columbine", for which he just won an Oscar. The film is a look at the pathology of violence in the United States and was the unanimous winner of the special Cannes 55th Anniversary Prize. He also
directed "Roger & Me", his 1989 Film Debut, which brought him public notice and critical praise. He has written several books, the most recent of which, "Stupid White Men...and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation" was the NY Times #1 Selling Nonfiction book of 2002. Moore has also been the executive producer and host of the Emmy-Award winning and
very popular news magazine "TV Nation".

Moore is one of the best known documentary filmmakers in America, and had been featured on Oprah, 60 Minutes, Donahue, CNN Talkback Live, and several other television shows. Moore used the profits from his first film, "Roger & Me", to establish the Center for Alternative Media, a foundation that supports independent film makers and social action groups. To date, the
foundation has made more than $400,000 in grants.
- --------------------------------------------------

If you have any questions, please send them to ut_secl@hotmail.com

Sincerely,
Matt Mackowiak
SECL Chairman
2002-2003

 

I've lived in both the US and Canada, and I can say that it is, by and large, simply a matter of guns...There are a lot of guns in Canada I guess, but almost entirely of the hunting rifle variety, and almost all in pretty rural areas. In urban areas it is a huge difference...huge. The ratio of firearsm to people is still a pretty extreme difference, and the ratio of non hunting firearms, ie pistols, automatics, semis, or anything of the sub-machine gun variety is even more extreme.

That doesn't answer all of it though...there are other larger based societal differences, and there is a different sense of security in Canada than in the U.S...I have lived mostly in big cities up here, so I can't really comment on the whole unlocked door thing, but I do know that people up here have nowhere near the expectation fo imminent crime that is present in the States, and the numbers back up that supposition. Population density explains some of it, but cities of comparable size do not have comparable crime rates, no where close, so there is a lot more to it than that.

 

Got this e-mail today.

Dear UT student,

The Student Endowed Centennial Lectureship (SECL), the only entirely
student-run organization that brings speakers to campus, would like to
invite you to attend our Spring Centennial Lecture Program with
Oscar-Winning Filmmaker and Best-Selling Author Michael Moore on Monday,
April 14, 2003 at the LBJ Auditorium.

Free tickets will be available to all students and staff on Thursday, March
27

Our speaker was chosen by students in an online poll of over 8,000 votes. including Dan Rather, Maya Angelou, John Walsh, Steve Forbes, and Bill Bennett.

Amazing how this moron was picked ahead of some of the names mentioned above, but had Moore said these things say, a month ago, then I am not so sure he would be the speaker at UT.

I am not a fan of unpatriotic people, so I will not be attending.

 

oh damn, Smokey, my bad!!



I would have edited it out but I can't.