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Are we about to have a "Texas Spring"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by underoverup, Jun 27, 2013.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Districts cannot be redrawn until after the 2020 census right?

    It gives them time

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  2. Bogey

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    How do these people drive, cash a check, get a job? All typical things that require ID.
     
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  3. FranchiseBlade

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    It depends on the job. Many are seniors who don't have a job, drive, and may not need to cash checks. There are also different ID's some of which wouldn't be acceptable for voting.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    This is one of those loopy things
    You are not required to have an ID
    but
    It is against the law to NOT SHOW your id to the cops if they ask
    am I correct in that?

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  5. pirc1

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    Why doesn't the state just provide a free IDs for everyone who needs one?
     
  6. Bogey

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    I know it's a hassel to get an id, but so is voting. I think everyone should have an id anyways. If the government pays for it, so what. They already waste our money on so many other things anyways.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    We don't need to discourage voting, we should be doing the opposite.

    Voter fraud hasn't been a significant problem at all, so why spend money on something that isn't a problem?
     
  8. Major

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    Go live in a rural town of 500 people - no one needs an ID because everyone knows everyone else.
     
  9. Summer Song Giver

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    I believe poor and wealthy alike should face the same requirements to be able to vote.
     
  10. CometsWin

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    So if the requirement was a $500 fee then that's okay since it's the same requirement even if its incredibly unlikely a poor person could pay the fee? Makes sense.
     
  11. False

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    So either you do not understand that disparate impact affects rights or you don't care that disparate impact affects rights. Which is it?
     
  12. Major

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    So in other words, you are OK with poll taxes, yes?
     
  13. Summer Song Giver

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    Make it a $1,000.00 fee.

    Forgive me for assuming that we'd keep the requirement of approved identification as the only requirement we were discussing.

    My fault.
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    So in a 100 years what will people think of Robert's court?

    The court that stuck down the civil rights act? A bunch of old rich mostly white ivy leaguers get to decide the fate of many poor and uneducated blacks and Mexicans.

    Sounds real fair.
     
  15. Summer Song Giver

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    I am in favor of making it as easy as humanly possible for anyone who is legally entitled to vote to do so. I am also in favor of some measure of assurance that all those who do vote are legally obliged to do so.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, and those assurances already in existence have proven to be effective. There has not been any sort of significant voter fraud.
     
  17. basso

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    Serious question: does one need an ID to get food stamps or other types of state/federal assistance for the poor?
     
  18. BE4RD

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    Placing restrictions on voting will bolster the Republican presence in Texas in the short term, but in the long term, it will alienate minorities and the poor even more than they already have. It won't be part of a sudden "spring", it will be a lot slower than that.

    But trying to repeal people's rights on hot button issues will absolutely cause a spring. This whole Wendy Davis thing blew up in the Texas GOP's face. They overstepped their bounds, hoping to slide this legislation through under the radar. Now, she's a national celebrity and the entire country is looking at the Texas GOP with bewildered disgust.
     
  19. Rocket1

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    It cost $16 to purchase a valid Texas identification card for anyone aged 59 or younger. It's $6 for anyone older than 59. $25 for a NEW TXDL. $11 for a renewal.

    Unless you are literally a homeless person living on the street, there is not a single valid argument against requiring identification in order to participate in the voting process.

    There is a myriad of reasons, both legal and practical, you SHOULD have some sort of identification.
     
  20. Major

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    + gas or bus fare to drive a few hundred miles if you live in rural Texas
    + a day of missed wages, if you even have the flexibility to get a day off from your job

    Or, if you're elderly, payment to get someone to go with you. And, of course, that ignores the fact that sometimes it can be extraordinarily difficult to actually track down the documents you may need to get an ID (original birth certificate, etc).

    These are the kinds of things you get when you imagine everyone lives in the same world you live in and faces all the same circumstances as you.

    All for what? To stop a problem that doesn't even exist.
     

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