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Is a Big 3 really needed?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rileydog, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

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    I don't think so. It's more about having a true elite Number 1, supported by a good number 2.

    On the heat, bosh is a good role player. Lebron being all world is what makes them go. I think the heat would actually better off if the moneypaid to bosh were used for two non star but quality players. For example, if the heat had an Asik and a Carl Landry type instead of bosh, they would literally be unbeatable.

    As for the rockets, I don't think it would be wise to add two more stars. You could go after two to increase odds of getting one of them. And I think morey agrees with me. You are better off having a strong supporting cast because a third elite player can't contribute to that level because there's only one basketball. You are better off with two good players that produce about as much as the third elite player would.

    If we land Dwight, I think the biggest question is what is Hardens ceiling. If he can become a top 5 to 8 player, we will be a legit title contender. If he tops out at a level below that, Howard will have to regain his dominant form and develop some low post game.

    Watching this series, it is fairly clear to me that Miami is beatable and will have o reload. A healthy OKC team could push Miami like SA did. As long, SA has Duncan, they can dump Manu, develop Leonard and add a piece.
     
  2. SeabrookMiglla

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    I agree

    I don't think a big 3 is mandatory to win a ring either, but you need at least two stars in most situations who are accompanied by a solid supporting cast. Right now though, our bench is a little dry but I think that also has to do with making room for a major FA signing. This past season is the only year under Morey's tenure when we did not have a deep bench, but Morey has a way with finding solid role players who out perform expectations. If any of our young players like D-MO, TJ, T-Rob or Smith pan out, we would be in very good shape. This season will be a real good indicator of what our players can do with a full off season of summer training camp, which we did not have last season.
     
  3. JMAD21

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    Bosh hasn't been what he was in Toronto obviously. But I think he gets overlooked way too much!

    I'm the biggest Lebron fan there is, and he was the main reason for both their titles. Wade stepped up and played a huge role also, and Allen was clutch as usual!

    But... Make no mistake about it, Miami doesn't win the 2013 championship without Chris Bosh! Guy left it all out there in game 6 and played some incredible defense!
     
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    Sorry, I read the part about Bosh and posted my reply before reading the rest.

    Back on your topic. I don't think a big 3 is a necessity. I think you need two allstar caliber players, with one true number 1, surrounded by role players willing to do whatever it takes to win.
     
  5. Benchwarmer

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    Without Bosh in the game, Duncan would dominate the glass and the paint on offense. Bosh did a decent job containing Timmy, and he spread the floor just enough with his mid-range jumpers to open the lanes for Lebron and Wade. Those are the subtle things that casual fans don't see or understand the impact of a good role player.
     
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    Agreed, but imo the 2 stars must be at least 1 back court and 1 front court to maximize their talents...
     
  7. Damion Laverne

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    You need only two top players. However, Bosh has illustrated his worth all year. Miami doesn't win these last two rings without him.
     
  8. Panda23

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    Bosh is very underutilized and underappreciated. I'm sure that MIA know his worth though.
     
  9. langal

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    There is no magic formula. Pistons and Mavs got rings too. Just get the best team possible. Obviously the teams that usually get a "Big 3" have the best teams but that is not always the case.
     
  10. tycoonchip

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    Yes. everyone is expendable except for harden.
     
  11. jocar

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    Roslolian agrees.
    So do I. The big 3 teams are actually big 2 + role players. Bosh=Allen=Chalmers. Manu=Green=Leonard. Someone different is always stepping into that 3rd spot. If you have enough quality role players, you increase the odds of at least one or two of them having big nights, every night.

    That huge salary for a #3 should be divided up into these role players and 1 or 2 defensive specialists. Too many role players, you become Denver. Too much salary on defense, you become Memphis. The Pacers, LAC, and OKC (sans Westbrook) were one elite scorer shy. We need depth, defense, 1 post threat, and an elite scorer. That's why Dwight's so money. 2 birds 1 cup. I mean stone.
     
  12. meh

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    My 2 cents.

    1. Technically, it's not necessary to have 3 stars or even 2 stars. But the NBA has shown that the more you have, the better the odds. Lacking role players are not an issue because (A) role players will take less to play for the Rockets because they have some many stars and (B) Morey can find cheap ones quite easily.

    2. Given that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard are totally different players, there's no reason why they can't exist together. Howard is the finisher and the defender. CP3 is the game manager. Harden is the scorer. If anything, this works out better than Miami's big 3 because both Harden and CP3 can space the floor when the other has the ball.
     
  13. roslolian

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    This is the point though, if MIA knew his worth why is he underutilized? The reason is because theres not enough ball to go around. Its the same thing with Harden, OKC knew he was special but he wouldve been a maxed 6th man had he stayed.
     
  14. #TheBeard

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    Come on guys lets be real, Miami is the farthest thing from a Big 3. It is all Lebron with a supporting cast. Wade is a liability if he can't hit a jumper, he just clogs the paint. Bosh, dont get me started, this guy is pure garbage besides for the occasional mid range jumper or a block on a GUARD. Timmy abused him in one on one situations and the only reason why Bosh gets rebounds is because the opponent gets back on D so Lebron doesn't rip through them on the fast break. So no, a big 3 is not needed.
     
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    Eric always said that Bosh was the most important player on the team
     
  16. AggieRocketFan96

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    Seriously what is with all the Bosh love here? After watching the playoffs, the finals in particular, I'm even more grateful the Rox didn't sign Bosh. He was thoroughly dominated by the much older Duncan and it seemed there was no fear by the Spurs to attack the basket when Bosh was in the game. Birdman has a much bigger defensive and at times offensive impact than the overrated, overpaid Bosh.

    No doubt the Heat will l
     
  17. AggieRocketFan96

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    look to jettison him first among the Big 3
     
  18. rockbox

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    The heat wouldn't have made the finals last year without Bosh. This year he played like crap but he played solid D, and the defense still had to respect him. You don't need a big 3 but you need 2 1/2. The third guy has to be borderline all star.
     
  19. Air Langhi

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    Wade and Bosh pretty much sucked.
     
  20. Firebomb525

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    You need a player who can place himself near or on the level of LeBron James and Kevin Durant.

    I believe Harden can do that; I believe in his abilities. Howard needs to understand that Houston is his best shot of winning. The Lakers little pipe dream of LeBron James is dead, kaput. Howard has to decide whether he wants to play with an aging, injury prone squad or team with with a legit star entering his prime in Harden and surrounded by young, developing pieces (Parsons, Asik, Lin)
     

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