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Clips and Celts must convince the NBA that Doc and KG are not packaged

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 19, 2013.

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  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

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    Alright... now this makes some sense. Doc goes to LAC for some draft consideration should be kosher. Then BOS can do whatever it wants with KG and Pierce. It may well make sense for BOS to send KG to LAC given that KG has a no-trade clause.

    One risk for the LAC's part is whether the league would later deny a transaction that gets KG to LA if the league later on believes that this was a part of a planned package. It also opens room for another team to pursue KG.
     
    #121 Carl Herrera, Jun 20, 2013
  2. heypartner

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    ?? can't tell if you are serious.

    This isn't allowed. You can't trade a coach for any player assets.

    The way I read it is LAC's primary target is Rivers, and they hope BOS will release him --but, they can't entice them with any player assets.. After that, they pray/"roll dice" that the league will somehow allow a separate, future trade for KG/PP despite Stern clearly stating he wouldn't.
     
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  3. justtxyank

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    It's just...of course it's still part of a package trade. If the league REALLY wants to enforce and set an example, then heypartner (think it was him) is right. They have to flat out say "under no circumstances will we let Garnett and Doc to both end up in LA."
     
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  4. justtxyank

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    Miami let SVG go coach ORL in exchange for draft considerations?
     
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  5. Carl Herrera

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    How did Stand Van Gundy get out of his MIA contract to coach ORL, then?

    You can compensate a team with draft picks for releasing a coach, which is what Orlando did to get SVG. You just cannot include any players (as opposed to draft picks) in the transaction involving a head coach.
     
    #125 Carl Herrera, Jun 20, 2013
  6. ASTROCKETEXANS

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    Can we trade McHale to Boston for Rivers? Then we can get Paul. Or
    If they want to give us Rivers and Rondo for McHale and Lin we would take it.
     
    #126 ASTROCKETEXANS, Jun 20, 2013
  7. justtxyank

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    It depends.

    According to WOJ, the Rockets don't want to lose McHale. According to CyberX, the Rockets don't like McHale.
     
    #127 justtxyank, Jun 20, 2013
  8. heypartner

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    The article you were quoting (J.R.'s last link) did not mention draft consideration. It only mentioned monetary compensation to help Boston pay the guaranteed portion of River's salary. Teams and coaches can certainly negotiate contract buy-outs where one team pays some of the coach's salary.

    Regardless, Stern pretty much said that retooling the deal won't change anything. The article merely says that LAC wants Rivers primarily, and hope in the future to change Stern's mind about KG/PP...which likely won't happen.
     
    #128 heypartner, Jun 20, 2013
  9. Ziggy

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    But who does Dwight like?
     
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  10. justtxyank

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    Orlando sent draft picks for the rights to SVG. Are you saying that is illegal?
     
    #130 justtxyank, Jun 20, 2013
  11. RocketFan

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    LOL... It would be funny if Chris Paul got sick of this drama and told LAC/Sterling... "Just trade me to Houston... At least I won't have to deal hearing about this everyday... Whether you tried to improve the team or not, you went about it the wrong way, messing with CBA rules that were agreed upon not that long ago."
     
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    Everybody depending on the day
     
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  13. Carl Herrera

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    And the possible denial of a Garnett deal later is the risk that LAC and BOS will have to take. Whenever that Garnett proposal is submitted to the NBA, the NBA will need to decide whether this is really a separate deal or simply a part of an earlier agreed-upon Doc-KG packaged deal.

    The timing of the Garnett deal may well be important to how the league views it. If the deal is submitted 2 days after the Doc deal happens, it is likely to be viewed as linked. If the deal is being submitted in, say, October 2013, after both teams have made a bunch of other roster moves and the circumstances and incentives for the whole league have changed, it would be more reasonable for the NBA to say that BOS and LAC have made a separate decision on a new trade.
     
    #133 Carl Herrera, Jun 20, 2013
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    Can you not read? Are you deaf?
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Clippers haven't offered Boston a first-round draft pick for rights to Doc Rivers, sources tell Y! Discussions are nowhere until they do.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/347820385053581312">June 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    You can't trade a coach, but you can offer a team compensation to release him, from what I understand. The key is that he's a free agent, so he could screw you over and sign with someone else. Easy to say that will never happen, but remember what Carlos Boozer did with Cleveland (?). So the proposed idea seems to be:

    * Clips pay Celtics to release Doc Rivers
    * Doc signs as a free agent coach with Clips: Doc under no obligation to sign with Clips
    * A few weeks later, Clips offer trade for KG: Boston under no obligation to accept

    This, theoretically, separates the transactions such that there is no guarantee any piece follows the previous piece. In other words, they aren't contingent on each other.

    If the Celtics back out, from a practical standpoint, KG can just throw a fit and say he won't play for the Celtics and won't waive his no-trade for anyone but the Clippers.

    The real question is just whether the league would relent or not. They'd be perfectly justified in saying "hell no", but I suspect they back down. The last thing the leagues wants to do is interfere in transactions if they can avoid it.
     
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    How in the world are they allowed to sign Rivers anyway? Stern is very stern, no pun intended, in the interview about not letting this slide because they know it was one deal and they are not trying to break it up into 2 separate deals. Trying to sign one first is exactly what Stern says he will stop so me thinks this cannot happen unless they do not pursue KG at all.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Clippers want to set aside Garnett deal for now, but are showing no willingess to offer Celtics a draft pick for Doc Rivers, sources tell Y!</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/347821164145557504">June 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  19. Carl Herrera

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    So, if the Clipers were willing to offer two 1st rounders (or at least one) for Doc Rivers when he and KG were "packaged," but is unwilling to offer a 1st rounder for him in a separate transaction, it makes it even more clear that the two deals were contingent upon each other.
     
    #139 Carl Herrera, Jun 20, 2013
  20. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Don't see Danny Ainge giving up Doc for a late first-rounder in a shaky draft, doesn't help <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23celtics&amp;src=hash">#celtics</a> rebuild that much, if at all</p>&mdash; gary washburn (@GwashNBAGlobe) <a href="https://twitter.com/GwashNBAGlobe/statuses/347821913973858304">June 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23celtics&amp;src=hash">#celtics</a> want 1) salary cap relief, 2) younger players, 3) draft picks. Ainge does not like this draft.</p>&mdash; gary washburn (@GwashNBAGlobe) <a href="https://twitter.com/GwashNBAGlobe/statuses/347822365633310720">June 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    #140 J.R., Jun 20, 2013
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