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[Salary Cap update] Projected at $58.5M

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by aaly1130, Jun 2, 2013.

  1. hooroo

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    It's not so simple, but the Rockets may need to go that route, ie get Howard in a S&T.

    For a S&T the Rockets need:

    1. 20 million of cap space for leverage

    2a. 125% + 100k. Trade for another unguaranteed contract at at least 900k to include in trade package
    (Lin, Jones, White, Smith, Anderson, Ohlbrecht, & 900k contract = 20,124,403)
    or
    2b. +5 million, Lakers must then be under tax after trade, ie scenarios too hard. Lakers amnesty either Nash/Pau
    or
    2b ii. Lakers amnesty Artest plus salary dump Blake to a third team.
     
  2. RollingWave

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    Waiving Anderson / Ohlbretch or even Smith / Beverly does very little towards freeing up space, not only do they make very little, but those spots still need a minimum cap hold after you waive them which is essentially only a couple more bucks, waiving all 4 of them saves you about 1 million bucks at best. so that seems like an unlikely route.

    This makes it harder for the Rockets to get Howard, but we'll see.
     
  3. kmav23

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    Lin is not going anywhere unless CP3 wants to be here

    owner Les has ties/business with china Lin is staying....
     
  4. b2bizchina

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    why will we do S&T?
    If we can't trade Lin, I think we will trade Asik
    Morey will not do any S&T, he has next plan in 2014
     
  5. b2bizchina

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    Lin will go this year or next year.
    Morey needs cap space to sign Lebron James in 2014
     
  6. hooroo

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    If the Rockets sign Howard using cap space the most they can spend afterwards is the room exception (2.6 million). They would also need to renounce Garcia, Delfino, and Brooks.

    In a S&T for Howard the Rockets situation can be better. That is, unless Jim Buss goes JFK and plays a game of brinkmanship where he forces Morey to renounce his free agents.

    Otherwise the Rockets would have these available:
    * MLE
    * Bi-annual exception
    * Bird exception: Garcia, option to re-sign or S&T
    * Non-Bird exception: Delfino, min contract 3.6 million. Brooks, min 3.0096. Boykins (Dunno if non-Bird can be S&T)
    * c.18 million of salary space under tax
     
  7. b2bizchina

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    U r right! but i don't think Morey will use:
    * MLE
    * Bi-annual exception
    * Bird exception: Garcia, option to re-sign or S&T
    * Non-Bird exception: Delfino, min contract 3.6 million. Brooks, min 3.0096. Boykins (Dunno if non-Bird can be S&T)
    Morey will wait the 2014' chance.
    sign Howard this year;
    maybe sign one sg/sf one year contract like last year's Delfilo;
    sign 2-3 players LLE;
    Then we can sugn Lebron James or other max in 2014
     
  8. Aleron

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    Doesn't Morey have any saved credits with the Celtic mafia?

    (for those who don't get the joke, there are 4 or 5 gms who are all in the nba who have all come through the extended celtics fraternity, Morey being one of them)
     
  9. Shroopy2

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    Overall, lower caps will still affect the big market teams. They're the ones that are still groaning at this news. Makes it just that little more difficult for NY, LA, Boston, Brooklyn, Miami "Big 3's" to form or to be held together.

    And maybe limited dollars means you DON'T take the chance on the Royce White types to begin with. It actually feeds right into the "Moreyball" Patrick Patterson safe picks.

    That would almost be proposing a more generous "hard cap"

    But yeah, it is what the cheap NBA owners wanted and we're getting it now.
     
  10. dobro1229

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    If the Celtics are keeping KG/Pierce for a final year then there is no way they can make the trade.

    If for some reason they are able to move both players and clear the necessary cap space, I would assume a player like Thomas Robinson would be very enticing to bring in.

    Still, I dont think the Celtics will be able to pull off-
    A. KG waiving his no-trade option
    and
    B. finding a team that is willing to take on Pierce's 15Mil salary at his age in this salary cap era.

    Teams that would trade for Pierce would likely be a team like Dallas that might strike out in free agency, and go all in for a one year run with old timers on one year deals. The timing of that scenario just wouldn't work out in Houstons favor to get Robinsons salary off of the books before July 1st. A Paul Pierce trade certainly wouldn't happen till after the big name free agents are off the table.
     
  11. jimmyv281

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    Would have liked to see Carlos space the floor with Howard...

    Howard
    Carlos
    Chandler Bing
    Hardees
    You pick em here boys
     
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    Yeah, like him. But he's injured, not going to be ready.

    And guess what?

    Korver is out there and he's a superior shooter to Delfino. His market may be the room MLE or if we are fortunate enough to acquire Dwight through S&T and get the full MLE even better the chances of signing a guy like that. Delfino is replacable.
     
  13. jimmyv281

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    Well I guess you could move Chandler to the 4 and put Korver at the three, I just question his ability to play big minutes and his price tag.
     
  14. dobro1229

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    Delfino's contract will either need to be traded on draft night, or waived before the Rockets can sign Dwight. Plus, he's going to be injured most likely up to Christmas.

    Delfino & Brook are almost certainly not going to be on the roster come July 1st. unless Dwight & CP3 both verbally committ to other teams before then.
     
  15. jimmyv281

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    I guess its for the best, that means Dmo has to hit the 3 pt shot its not going to be easy finding the Strecth 4.
     
  16. basketballholic

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    Here's here's a handy little chart based on the projected $58.5 million salary cap. This chart simply shows how much salary has to be moved out to sign Dwight based on the number of players we move out. In other words it takes into account the $490,180 cap hold for all the empty roster spots created if we move out more than one player for Dwight. This is assuming that Garcia, Delfino, and Brooks have all been released of course.

    2- $5653889 (We have no 2 players that will work here w/out including one of Lin/Asik)
    3- $6144069 (only possibility here is TRob, RWhite traded away and Anderson waived or traded away, very little to zero trade value as Royce's trade value is essentially negative at the moment)
    4- $6634249 (this is the point where it gets interesting. Multiple combination of players could be traded all including TRob of course and to get real value including DMo or TJones or both.)
    5- $7124429
    6- $7614609


    You should be able to see where the Dwight acquisition is going if he indeed commits to come here. To keep Harden/Parsons/Asik/Lin/Beverley together (which I believe is the core for now around Dwight), then we are going to HAVE TO trade TRob. Every possible trade scenario has to involve TRob. Hence, Morey puts him up on the auction block as soon as he heard the projected cap is going to be around $58.5 million.

    Also, you have to be forward thinking when you are considering moving out players to bring in Dwight. We will be capped out at that point. So, how does Morey continue to have flexibility to improve the team? It has to come through future draft picks, the MLE, and having tradable good value contracts on the current roster that can be combined and flipped for greater value. While Royce isn't "good value", his contract is relatively small and is an expiring deal. It will be increasing in value the closer we get to February. So we either trade him now or trade him later or just let his contract expire next season. All those options are better than stretching him.

    You should also be able to see that the odds are we are going to have to move out at least 4 (or more) players (not including Delfino, Garcia, and Brooks) to bring Dwight in and in all those scenarios TRob's contract is involved.

    So the question is how to you move the required salary and maximize future trade assets and trade flexibility? By including at least one of TJones/DMo in the trade.
     
  17. dragician

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    and we can sign another Chandler Parsons... ;)
     
  18. ROXTXIA

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    I Google NBA + revenue and pretty much find articles about how the NBA has been flush with cash.

    I'm not going to put on my tin-foil conspiracy hat (it's in the shop for repairs), but the salary cap only gets nudged to $58.5 million?!

    Hope the fax at the league office isn't "broken" whenever we try to send in our trade of extraneous power forwards:

    Secretary: "Go no farther than Agrigento. Stop immediately."

    Stern/Patton: "That's what you think it says. I think it was garbled in transmission...."

    Bad news, Stern: we're taking Dwight anyway. :)

    (In truth, it's just the league and the owners manipulating the numbers so they can control revenue. Reminds me of North Dallas Forty: "Everytime I say it's a game, you say it's a business. Everytime I say it's a business you say it's a game."
     
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  19. Aleron

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    Bima did say why, it's because the players are only getting 50-51% of bri, rather than 57%, so the cap needs to adjust for those values to catch up, basically revenues have gone up ~15%, but the players are getting a lot less of it, we're actually better off with a lower cap because it removes the chances of teams clearing space to afford both CP3 and D12.
     
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  20. BimaThug

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    To keep it really simple, the Rockets can create "Dwight room", even with a $58.5 million salary cap, as follows:

    --Decline Garcia's team option

    --Waive the MLE, the BAE and the Boykins cap hold

    --Waive all non-guaranteed contracts except for Beverley and Smith (i.e., Delfino, Brooks, Anderson, Ohlbrecht)

    --Trade Robinson for a future pick

    --Pay a team to take White's contract off the books

    This gets the Rockets just shy of Dwight's "super-max" salary (figure ~$20.36 million, rather than the $20.51 million max). Perhaps Dwight agrees to take slightly less than the absolute max, since it's not like any other free agent this year can make even $20 million on the open market (Chris Paul is maxed out in the $18.5 million range).

    If not, then the Rockets could very easily trade a guy like Smith for a future pick.

    Boom. You're looking at around $20.75 million in cap room. More than enough to give Dwight the super-max.

    (Even if the Rockets can't pay a team to take White, they can still waive him via the Stretch provision, in which case he'd only count $573,160 against the Rockets' cap for each of the next three years. Add in the extra incomplete roster charge, and the Rockets can still get to ~$20.18 million in cap room if they also deal Smith for a pick. Close enough to make a legit contract offer to Dwight.)

    Bottom line: I'm not too worried about the cap coming in at $58.5 million. The Rockets can make the moves necessary to offer Dwight a super-max contract, or at least something very close to it, without really hurting their core or jettisoning too many future prospects. Even if Dwight demands every last penny, the Rockets can accommodate him without materially harming themselves now or in the future.
     
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