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Kobe shoots too much theory disproved

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by GreatOne1978, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. GreatOne1978

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  2. WinorLoseMate

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    Do you post anything besides Kobe support threads and LeBron hate threads? Your lack of unbiased analysis makes ANY of your threads about Kobe or LeBron unworthy of being taken seriously.
    On to your post now:
    He shoots at a 2% higher efficiency than he normally does. However, you fail to realise his normal efficiency isn't even that great to begin with at 55.5%, which ranks him 35th out of all ACTIVE NBA players. What does this all mean? Well it would not be an un-calculated assumption to say that a lot of times, the Lakers are only down because Kobe takes too many inefficient shots. It's not like he hasn't had team mates that can't share the burden of being 'the man' on the Lakers.

    So how has this theory been disproved? You pretty much supported the fact that he shoots too much and it's detrimental towards the team (23.5 shots per game on losses, 19.9 on wins). I'd actually like to see in down by 10 situations, how many times he has brought them back to win the game in the fourth quarter, with a comparison to other elite superstars.
     
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    Sorry, the 55% above is TS% ^
     
  4. GreatOne1978

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    all you need to do is watch the 2013 playoffs and saw how Nash/Gasol/Howard struggled. Nuff said.
     
  5. J Sizzle

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    LOL Kobe fan trying so hard to defend Kobe...

    I love Lakers fans. They funny!
     
  6. clippy

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    Give him a break.. this is just an awful time to be a Kobe fan. The Lakers are a mess, Kobe is injured and on his way out, and LeBron is the face of the NBA and already rated as a better player than their savior despite being the league half as long. Let the poor guy vent... it's all he's got!
     
  7. across110thstreet

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    what about the 2011 and 2012 playoffs?
     
  8. GreatOne1978

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    What about it?
     
  9. GreatOne1978

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    shouldn't you worried about the overrated CP3 leaving your precious NBA doormat Clippers?
     
  10. AFS

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    You're right, OP. Kobe could have definitely shot more during this year's playoffs.
     
  11. Jontro

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    The dude's absolutely right! I am now a converted Kobe fan fo lyfe!
     
  12. Shroopy2

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    They should define was "2%" more efficiency means. Is it
    A) 2% of his usual efficiency better?
    B) 2% more FIELD GOAL% ADDED?

    If its A, then 2% better of 45% is means he's shooting 45.9%.
    If its B, it means he's shooting 47%.

    Kobe's right there at the point of "bad shot selection" and "shooting too much"

    Really Kobe should be shooting over 46% EVERY year given his talent level and credentials, like Dwyane Wade does who's NEVER SHOT BELOW 46% in a year (though with slightly worse 3 point shooting). You bet your ass if D Wade and Kobe's shooting %'s were reversed that itd be JUSTIFIABLE AMMO used against Wade or any other shooting guard in the league. So I don't want to hear crap about how Wade's shooting somehow doesnt count as much.

    By numbers or by watching, anyone can see Kobe feels "entitled" to shoot to the detriment of flow of offense.

    However, putting the ball in the hands of the best player when you're down is supposed to be the strategy, so I don't criticize Kobe being more ball dominant. I criticize his occassional uber-hero ball shots. He's also made a few of those that others can't which is why he's right there but not always conclusive. Its not WORSE at least
     
  13. Panda23

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    pfft. you can use facts to prove anything.
     
  14. prv1981

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    Kobe shoots too much because he is in perpetual heat check mode. I agree with Phil Jackson's sentiment.
     
  15. Aleron

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    The theory is he shoots too much all the time

    Not that he shoots too much when they win or lose.
     
  16. Haymitch

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    I never would have guessed who started this thread.
     
  17. PinkTacos

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    Oh if that is all thats needed...why start this thread? :p
     
  18. supdudes

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    Must post as a Kobe fan here.

    Having watched the games, esp the ones that D'an "I suck a coaching" Toni coached, Kobe was the one consistent contributor throughout the year. Maybe, in should-coulda-woulda land, the Lakers play a great inside-out game with Kobe being a shooter/ slasher, but with Pau's injuries, Howard's injuries, and Dantoni, the odds of that were pretty much zero.

    I also hate how people have the misconception that Kobe values individual accomplishments over a championship. He clearly tried hard to play into the post, even though the post gave nothing most of the time. Let's be honest, Howard just isn't suited for a traditional big man position, and doesn't have half the skills as Gasol, or even ZBo. Going inside to him with a stagnant offensive set just doesn't work, I've seen enough games to conclude.

    Finally, to get the pass from Kobe in the clutch, you actually have to look like you want it. Why do you think Kobe never hesitates to pass to Fisher, but is reluctant to give the ball up to the likes of Meeks? If Nash were healthy, there would've been more Kobe-to-Nash daggers than there already was. So saying Kobe is selfish in the closing moments of the game is simply ignoring a huge chuck of evidence that suggests otherwise.

    I'm not a fan of TheGreatOne, but the guy makes valid points... Unlike that troll Sleepy Floyd
     
  19. Ricksmith

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    So when Kobe passes to an open shooter in the clutch, it's because he is unselfish, but when Lebron does it he's a choker, anti-clutch, etc.?
     
  20. j3i

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    Facts, schmacks.
     

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