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Wade's "Travel"

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jgreen91, May 28, 2013.

  1. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    First off, LOL at you front-running, bandwagon Heat fans.

    Secondly, LOL at you front-running, bandwagon Heat fans.
     
  2. SuperStar

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    Really? I thought it was just stop dribble, pivot.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mAFaN_3qOWw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  3. rokit

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    He doesn't, that would be hilarious.
     
  4. heypartner

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    Who?

    The dude's an ex-referee who is disagreeing with the call. He was one of the best referees for a long time. He's actually disagreeing with the league? How many of these "other analysts" would have a ulterior motive to agree with the call. I would accept a few ex coaches like JVG, but not too many other analysts.

    I've changed my mind. The only thing that makes the step back a travel is if the slow, "one-legged flamingo" stance negates his right to take two steps. Otherwise, his right foot was not the pivot foot and he gets two steps, as Javie clearly states.

    Dream would take one dribble, gather on one foot (not a pivot foot), and use two steps after that -- a key component of the Dream Shake.
     
  5. Rip Van Rocket

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    The Refs make the wrong calls on a regular basis. What's the big deal? Refs have missed calls in every single game played in the NBA this year. Missed calls are part of the game. And the Heat are a good enough team to overcome bad calls by the Refs, or they should be.
     
  6. vlaurelio

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    javies does not have an ulterior motive to agree with the call
     
  7. heypartner

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    I know; that's what I said. And he doesn't have an ulterior motive to disagree with the call, like he did, either.
     
  8. mfastx

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    There were a lot of missed calls in the Heat's favor too. It was obvious that the officials were not up to par tonight, I agree with the investigation.

    Lol, well Javie is the only one who was an actual NBA official, I think I'll side with him on this one.
     
  9. IzakDavid13

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    Looks like he's channelling Michael Jackson on that move!

    He took so many steps I'm surprised he was still on the court & not headed towards the locker room.

    Give the man a visa...
     
  10. Firebomb525

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    That's because the majority of Heat 'fans' now weren't fans until 2011. They probably don't even know Shaq played for the Heat.

    Y'all know damn well nobody would give a **** if Paul George was called for this and it cost them the game. Nobody would bat an eyelash because it would just be assumed the Heat took care of business and the league would be goin 'Tough ****. Don't rely on refs to win games for you'. However, with the Heat losing, everyone is crying because it seems so improbable the Pacers are in this and the calls didn't go in Miami's favor.
     
  11. pacertom

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    The league is reviewing the controversial calls and will issue explanations soon:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/k...urces-nba-reviewing-fallout-from-game-4-calls

     
  12. Panda23

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    pretty sure the shot clock gaffe with hansbrough converting a 2 with the foul KILLED the pacers momentum.
     
  13. BEAT LA

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    Former nba ref, steve javie, agrees with me. Like i said, if you think there was a travel before he dribbles (he may have slightly raised his left foot off the ground) then you might have something. The step back was not a travel. He was in rhythm the entire time.

    Travels are called at the discretion of the refs officiating the game. Same with flagrant fouls and some charges.
     
  14. DrNuegebauer

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    The travel rule isn't that you "get 2 steps" (in basketball that is)

    The travel rule is that you cannot plant your pivot foot again after establishing it.
    The pivot foot is always the first foot on the ground after dribbling has ceased.

    In the video shown, Wade obviously travels. Only an imbecile could fail to see that his right foot is 'established' as the pivot foot. He then jumps back to his left foot, the re-plants his pivot foot.
    That's a travel all day, every day, and twice on a Sunday.

    The fact that NBA officials don't always make that call is what people ought to be talking about. Plenty of travelling is permitted by the officials, but that does not mean they made the wrong call on Wade. They got it spot on. (even IF some claim the travel call is futher on?)
     
  15. DrNuegebauer

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    No.

    It's a situation where if his right foot hits the floor it's a travel.

    It's also a situation of "will the referees call it or not? Because they often don't call basic travels"
     
  16. DrNuegebauer

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    Someone could be "in rhythm" while jogging from halfcourt holding the ball without dribbling and dunking it.

    It would still be an "in rhythm" travel....

    Just because you don't know the rules doesn't give you the right to belligerently lambaste those who do.
     
  17. BEAT LA

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    He was in rhythm when he made the step back. He picked up the ball after he planted his right foot.

    You are right though, three steps is the thing in the nba.
     
  18. heypartner

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    You're interpreting the rules incorrectly, and I posted the explanation by Steve Javie of this play, on the previous page.

    Your sentence in bold is not quite correct. You are wrong about which foot is the pivot foot. If the foot is already on the ground before dribbling ceases, it is not the pivot foot. You get two steps when dribbling ceases. That's why you constantly see two steps...all the time, and more than "twice on Sundays." :p

    So, his right foot is already on the ground before dribbling stops. He steps back with the left...that becomes the pivot (as Javie states), and he legally replants his right foot. The right foot was never the pivot foot.

    Don't argue with me. Argue with Steve Javie on the previous page.
     
  19. heypartner

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    When in motion (dribbling) you get two steps. You are describing the rule when you catch the ball from a stand still (e.g., a low post play). In that case, you are correct, one of your planted feet must become a pivot foot.

    That is not the case dribbling. The rules clearly describe Two Steps. Read them.

    And Javie calls it.
     
  20. jgreen91

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    Javie is the only actual ref I've seen who has offered any type of explanation. And he was a well respected ref by pretty much everyone.
     

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