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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, May 22, 2013.

  1. ILoveTheRockets

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    Which is terrorism lol
     
  2. ILoveTheRockets

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    ter·ror·ism
    /ˈterəˌrizəm/
    Noun
    The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
     
  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    What would you call Cartel related murders here close to the border on informants and people trying to stop their flow of drugs?

    They obviously do the chainsaw / kitchen knife executes /skinning of faces to bring out terror to those that want to stop them....why don't people call that terrorism as well? :confused:

    My post doesn't carry a lot of confidence in it because terrorism has been thrown around pretty loosely and the definition seems to be altered to fit what ever situation people want it to fit.
     
  4. ILoveTheRockets

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    lol, they do call it terrorism. Again...

    ter·ror·ism
    /ˈterəˌrizəm/
    Noun
    The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

    Which is why the United States has helped with situations in Mexico by providing Special Operations Units to combat Terrorism.

    I don't think one logical person would conclude what happens South of the border as anything but terrorism, especially when political leaders are often targeted.

    Sure, when drug dealers that double crossed their cartels are caught and beheaded on camera, we don't call it terrorism. You know why? Because it isn't. There isn't one political motive in those situations.

    But Mexico has had plenty plenty plenty plenty situations labeled as flat out terrorism. period.
     
  5. ILoveTheRockets

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    Oh, and Cartels are labeled as terrorist groups. Which means... terrorism is involved.
     
  6. Mathloom

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    So you are convinced that this definition of terrorism is perfectly acceptable?

    (btw I agree this was an act of terrorism)

    EDIT: I agree this is terrorism based on the definition you provided.
     
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  7. LosPollosHermanos

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    thanks for the clarification, I didn't know Cartels were classified as such.
     
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  9. bobmarley

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    British officials knew for two years that London jihad murderer had ties to al-Qaeda
    But don't be concerned: his rights weren't infringed upon. He was still able to roam London streets with a meat cleaver, looking for a kaffir to hack to death.

    "British Officials Knew Suspect in Soldier’s Death Had Ties to Al Qaeda," by John F. Burns in the New York Times, May 26 (thanks to Kenneth):

    LONDON — Britain’s security agencies appeared headed for a period of deeply uncomfortable scrutiny after the government said Sunday that it had been aware for more than two years that one of the two men suspected of hacking an off-duty British soldier to death on a London street had ties to Al Qaeda.

    A Foreign Office spokesman confirmed that the ministry had provided “consular assistance” in Kenya in 2010 to the man, Michael Adebolajo, 28, a British citizen of Nigerian descent. He had been arrested by the Kenyan police on suspicion of planning to join Al Shabab, an extremist group in Somalia that Britain has classified as a terrorist organization.

    Mr. Adebolajo and the other suspect in the London attack — Michael Adebowale, 22, also of Nigerian origin — have been under armed police guard in separate London hospitals since the attack last Wednesday. The soldier — Lee Rigby, 25 — was run down by a car on the sidewalk outside an army barracks, then attacked with meat cleavers. Police officers arriving on the scene shot and wounded the two suspects.

    The grisly brutality of the attack shocked Britain as few events have since the bombings on the London transit system on July 7, 2005, which killed 52 passengers and the four bombers. Sunday newspaper headlines about the case focused on what the government knew about Mr. Adebolajo and Mr. Adebowale and why no action was taken that might have prevented Mr. Rigby’s death.

    In a statement on Sunday, the Foreign Office spokesman sought to tamp down the controversy, saying that the office’s role in the events in Kenya in November 2010 was limited to consular assistance to Mr. Adebolajo, “as normal for British nationals.” It did not address the Kenyan government’s statements that Mr. Adebolajo, using a false name, had been arrested near the Somali border with five Kenyan nationals while carrying Shabab literature.

    The statement also did not address a claim made on BBC television on Friday night that Mr. Adebolajo spoke of rebuffing an attempt by MI5, the British domestic security agency, to recruit him. The claim was made by Ibrahim Hassan, a man who says he has links to Islamic extremist groups. Mr. Hassan said Mr. Adebolajo had told him that the recruitment attempt was made after he was deported from Kenya. British security officials quoted in the Sunday newspapers said that efforts to recruit Islamic extremists in such circumstances were common.

    Mr. Hassan himself was arrested in the BBC studio immediately after the interview by Scotland Yard counterterrorism detectives, who said that the arrest was not connected to the killing of Mr. Rigby.

    Mr. Hassan’s claims and his arrest added to a growing sense that inquiries into Mr. Rigby’s death are likely to delve into the murky world of the security agencies and their dealings with Islamic extremists.

    A Parliamentary panel, the Intelligence and Security Committee, has said it expects to receive a preliminary report from the government on the attack this week.

    Among the issues that the panel’s leading members have said they want to explore is whether MI5’s desire to penetrate groups with suspected terrorist ties had led to decisions not to prosecute people like Mr. Adebolajo under laws that bar Britons from engaging with terrorist organizations overseas. Security officials have said that MI5 viewed Mr. Adebolajo as posing a “low risk” of potential terrorism and did not think he needed close monitoring.

    Security officials have also confirmed that Mr. Adebolajo, and to a more limited extent Mr. Adebowale, had been known to British security officials for several years because they took part in protests in Britain that were organized by extremist groups, some of which involved violent clashes with the police.

    Newspapers in Britain have carried accounts saying that Mr. Adebolajo had been heard in mosques and community centers in south London calling for jihadist attacks in Britain....

    Yet the mosques didn't report him to authorities.
     
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    British Prison Warden Stabbed By Muslim Inmates In Attack “Inspired” By Hacking Death Of Soldier…

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    Via Telegraph:

     
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    Britain wants its guns back

    A Daily Telegraph online poll has revealed that over 80 percent of Brits would rather a repeal on the hand gun ban over various other "new law" choices
     
  13. Deji McGever

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    I'd be suspicious. It let me vote in the poll, and I'm not in the UK, and considering the landslide results, I'd suspect American libertarians responding with the Ron Paul effect. The only Brit I ever knew that was ever pro-gun was a Hungarian-Israeli emigre...and I say that as a pro-gun person.
     
  14. bobmarley

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    Suuuuure Deji! Whatever you need to say to feel good about yourself.
     
  15. Deji McGever

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    It would make me feel better about taking your opinions seriously if you applied some skepticism and judgement to everything you copy and paste from the Internet.

    Whether it's been my interaction with Britons in the US, Israel or in London or reading the UK press or watching political shows on British TV, it's been clear that even among the Tory faithful that read the Telegraph, advocating a change in the status quo for gun ownership is really taboo and it's associated with the BNP fringe. No MP from any of the main three parties would ever risk even advocating it -- they would lose in the next election cycle for sure.

    When I talk about it with British people I know, I've been immediately branded the dumb Texan gunslinger from BFE that just-doesn't-get-it since even hunting there is something regarded as a decadent pastime for the aristocracy.

    So yes...I'm suspicious of the results even if I agree with them.
     
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    UK Government Helped Secure Release Of Jihadist Who Butchered British Soldier After He Was Arrested In Kenya For Trying To Join Al-Shabaab…

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    Beheading a British soldier was his way of saying thank you.

     

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