1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Eisenhower never wanted freeways to go through cities

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by da1, May 24, 2013.

  1. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    But Eisenhower never intended that the Interstates be built through densely populated cities. A memorandum of a 1960 meeting in the Oval Office, available in the archives of Eisenhower’s presidency, makes this crystal-clear:

    [The President] went on to say that the matter of running Interstate routes through the congested parts of the cities was entirely against his original concept and wishes; that he never anticipated that the program would turn out this way . . . and that he was certainly not aware of any concept of using the program to build up an extensive intra-city route network as part of the program he sponsored. He added that those who had not advised him that such was being done, and those who steered the program in such a direction, had not followed his wishes.
     
    1 person likes this.
  2. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    The irony of all this is the interstate system ended up destroying the urban landscape in a similar fashion that the WWII bombers did to the German cities.
     
  3. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    During the first decade of Interstate highway construction, 335,000 homes were razed, forcing families to look elsewhere for housing ...

    In many cases, the ‘urban blight’ targeted by the new road construction simply meant African-American communities—often thriving ones. A great body of work shows that urban freeways destroyed the hearts of African-American communities in the South Bronx, Nashville, Austin, Los Angeles, Durham, and nearly every medium to large American city.

    In Tennessee, plans for the construction of Interstate 40 were in fact redrawn to route the highway through the flourishing Jefferson Street corridor, home to roughly 80 percent of Nashville’s African-American-owned businesses. Not only did the construction of I-40 destroy this commercial district; it also demolished 650 homes and 27 apartment buildings while erecting physical barriers separating the city’s largest African-American universities: Fisk University, Tennessee A & I University, and Meharry Medical College.

    the Claiborne Expressway in New Orleans bifurcated that city’s culturally rich Tremé district. Among the casualties were a popular Mardi Gras parade route lined with majestic oak trees and a thriving corridor of African-American businesses some called "the black people’s Canal Street."
     
  4. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    Writing on his blog Original Green, my friend Steve Mouzon examined property values along an eleven-block stretch of a street that runs perpendicular to and underneath I-65/70 in Indianapolis. Property values per acre drop off precipitously as one gets closer to the freeway, and then rise again on the other side (though not to the same level).

    Steve suggests that, although the neighborhood on the east side does not match that on the far west for per-acre value, the increments of change as one moves from west to east likely would have been more gradual, rather than dramatic, without the freeway.
    My guess is that freeways have probably created value in the suburbs but frequently diminished value in city centers. I’m sure there are more sophisticated studies on the subject, but I haven’t had time to research them.

    freeway corridors are associated with higher crime, reduced walkability, the absence of outdoor seating, high traffic fatalities, and increased vacant property acreage.
     
  5. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    This is the point I try to convey to people, particularly this board. American highways were never intended to carry “urban commuters”. They were intended as long-distance cross-country travel like European highways.

    Political pressure has forced highway alignments to cut through the city. We don’t like it, highway engineers don’t like it, but to politicians, it’s a good way of saying “we got something accomplished”.

    Unfortunately, we as a country are making our cars do what it’s not designed to do: Urban commuting

    That’s very standard in Europe as well. Highways don’t simply stop right at a city. It goes around. If it does go “to” a city, it transitions into a limited-access large arterial before it reaches the city. This reduces the amount of traffic being dumped at the city center.

    Again, the problem with the U.S. is that we’ve turned highways into short-distance express arterials, which was not its original intent.
     
  6. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    Some cities have elected not to rebuild freeways when they reach the age where costly repairs are required but, instead, to replace them with surface boulevards. The best known of these is in San Francisco, where a 1989 earthquake famously knocked out the Embarcadero Freeway. It has now been replaced with “a tree-lined boulevard that blends alternative modes of transportation, including a perfect pedestrian promenade, a bicycle corridor and a popular streetcar line.”
    The change has increased property values, attracted investment, and restored scenic views previously blocked by freeway infrastructure, all without harmful effects on traffic. Back in Dallas, Kennedy "conservatively" estimates that replacing a segment of I-345 in the city with a surface-level boulevard could attract $750 million worth of new investment and increase tax revenues from adjacent properties six-fold.
     
  7. Kam

    Kam Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2002
    Messages:
    30,476
    Likes Received:
    1,322
    Congrats man. Six posts in a single thread, before I replied. This could have gone in one post.

    And is this original work? Or was this lifted from somewhere?
     
    1 person likes this.
  8. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,585
    Likes Received:
    1,888
    That's just the stupidest thing I've ever read. More than anything they justified doubling our utilities infrastructure by facilitating suburban development, and ensured enough population density outside of city centers to justify building additional schools, hospitals, libraries and expanding retail activity.
     
  9. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,585
    Likes Received:
    1,888
    Highways don't have a damn thing to do with ruining black communities: which themselves are a curse against black assimilation and were a byproduct of racial quarantine and discrimination. If the suburbs weren't built whites would have just kept discriminating against them for access to housing, education, jobs, and commercial and public facilities in urban centers; and probably would have blocked things like the Housing Rights Act.
     
  10. tehG l i d e

    tehG l i d e Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    27,845
    Likes Received:
    21,925
  11. Haymitch

    Haymitch Custom Title

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2005
    Messages:
    28,371
    Likes Received:
    24,021
    Jesus Christ man give it a break.

    Can the Mods please give da1 his own public transportation sub-forum that is visible only to da1? He clearly has no problem talking to himself about this.

    I would put him on Ignore, but I would still have to see his Daily Absurd Thread on Public Transportation Issues No One Cares About ™ (and the occasional thread on how microwaves are giving us cancer so that they may one day take over the world).
     
    #11 Haymitch, May 24, 2013
    Last edited: May 24, 2013
    1 person likes this.
  12. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    35,080
    Likes Received:
    15,272
    That's the thing about innovation - you never know where it'll lead you. Intentions are irrelevant. They're here. And while they have some negative side effects, they have net been a great boon to american prosperity.
     
  13. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,579
    Likes Received:
    17,554
    who doesn't like driving on the interstate?
     
  14. K mf G

    K mf G Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    4,378
    Likes Received:
    1,754
    i enjoyed this thread
     
  15. McNultyisDrunk

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,213
    Likes Received:
    418
    Time to take away thread starting abilities for da1.
     
  16. Poloshirtbandit

    Joined:
    May 30, 2003
    Messages:
    5,030
    Likes Received:
    1,105
  17. Classic

    Classic Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    6,101
    Likes Received:
    608
    i now equate carpet bombing with I-10
     
  18. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2003
    Messages:
    37,073
    Likes Received:
    36,024
    What?

    How is this:

    [​IMG]

    in any way similar to this:

    [​IMG]
     
    1 person likes this.
  19. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
  20. da1

    da1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    101
    These use to be thriving neighborhoods before freeways came

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now