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So now the GOP wants to eliminate overtime pay.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Raven, May 13, 2013.

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  1. juicystream

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    When they don't use it, they get paid for it...
     
  2. ILoveTheRockets

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    IF the companies report it.

    So much room for corruption and lying on the companies part. It just isn't worth the head ache to have this happen anyway
     
  3. juicystream

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    How is that any different than overtime? There isn't much room for lying and corruption. You people are being ridiculous.
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    Highly highly doubt companies will be ethical or honest about this...
     
  5. juicystream

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    Do you feel that way about overtime?

    Have you considered companies may be more likely to allow their employees to work overtime if it is for additional PTO?

    I get an hour for hour comp time now. Used to get 1.5 hours. It was awesome.
     
  6. Rashmon

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    Says the guy slobbering over Ted Cruz...
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    I expect employees would get pressure to take the comp time instead of the dollars. And I don't see how the company gets much benefit -- can't they just pay the overtime dollars and then take the employee off the schedule for that number of hours and get the same effect? Do employers even really need this? I suppose you might get a little marginal cash flow management benefit, but that's pretty paltry.

    But, I also don't think it's that big of a deal either. Will there be some abuse? Of course, but there's already abuse of the current overtime rules, like pressuring employees to underreport hours worked. Ethical companies will follow the rules here like they do everywhere else. A company who would exploit workers with this liberalization of the overtime rules will (or already do) exploit them in other ways as well. This is not a super-weapon in the arsenal of the unethical company.
     
  8. rhadamanthus

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    Depends on the situation I'd wager. I'm just theorizing that some less than scupulous companies would find this an easy game to abuse, because (as I said previously) the onus falls on the employee to collect, which naturally has a losing side to the equation as well. I suppose that's arguably no different than overtime...but overtime at least has a shorter time table associated (from work to paycheck) and is well understood.
     
  9. Rocket River

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    Counting your Overtime for the last two weeks
    versus tracking it for the last 6 months

    Rocket River
     
  10. juicystream

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    So people are to stupid to understand their hours?

    This rule has existed for government employees for years, but not private sector employees.
     
  11. bobmarley

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    not campaigning for him
     
  12. Baba Booey

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    You mentioned Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court a dozen times...and ONCE was hilarious enough...
     
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    I do not trust the GOP when it comes to worker rights, they have a horrible track record and there is no way in hell that I am going to believe that they now magically represent workers.

    Having said that, I do know that there are many people that are working two jobs, not because they want to, but because their employers will limit their hours, because they do not want to pay overtime. So, you have people working 30 hours at job A and 30 hours at job B. As a result they have terrible benefits, have to run from job to job and are barely hanging on.

    I am not sure what the solution is, my gut says that there are more workers being hurt based on overtime, but that if we change the law the employers will exploit the situation.
     
  14. False

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    There is no functional difference. If you are promoting someone in the public sphere, you are campaigning for them. If you link to an article where someone is described favorably you are campaigning for them. Sometimes the article you link to is even written by paid campaigners as a promotional piece for the candidate. Heck the textbook definition of campaign includes indirect campaigning like the type you have been doing for Ted Cruz - "a connected series of operations designed to bring about a particular result."

    You are campaigning for Ted Cruz, and there is nothing wrong with it. Raven is campaigning for Elizabeth Warren. Be more self aware and stop using the word like it is an insult.
     
  15. Nook

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    I would FAR more trust Warren on worker rights issues over Ted Cruz.
     
  16. juicystream

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    Blatant lies in that YouTube video. Partisan politics.
     
  17. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Haha, I live how companies and Republicans paint this as a good for families type thing. When the **** ever do they support what's good for families when it comes to business? Laughable.
     
  18. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What is this comp time and overtime you people speak of? :)
     
  19. juicystream

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    There are a lot of companies and individuals who who want this. Flexibility can benefit both sides.
     
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    I forget the statistics and I'm too lazy to google but I recall that the USA is notorious for unused vacation hours, ostensibly due to employer pressure. I know for a fact that, in my industry, it's not uncommon for folks to forfeit some amount of vacation, depending on their schedules. As such, comp-time is not necessarily useful.

    Now, I would also expect that folks in my line of work would certainly get an immediate payout for unused comp-time if that was the rule - these are big, well-established companies. But for folks in less reputable industries with less leverage...comp-time seems like a good way to stiff someone at the end of the year. Sure, the employee could dispute it or sue or whatever...but that's not all roses either, as I'm sure you would understand.

    I guess that in theory there is nothing wrong with this. In practice it's potentially easier to abuse. I may be wrong.
     
    #40 rhadamanthus, May 13, 2013
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