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Hoping Lin is ready for Weds....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lwlee, Apr 30, 2013.

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  1. kanariya

    kanariya Member

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    Hater will always hate.

    Even if Lin puts 20/10 every night they will still hate.
    Clutch City is turning into the Hate City.

    Name one player that hasn't been trashed by the "Rockets Fans".
    They will trash any of our current rosters and worship the ex-rockets that they've been trashing when they were Rockets.

    These Rockets Fans know the best.
    The have better knowledge than our GM and our coach McHale.

    They act like they will perform better if given the chance on the court.

    Don't remember where I read that this is one of the best fans forum out there but these "Rockets fans" disgust me.
     
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  2. Benchwarmer

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    If Lin can't play, I want to see Anderson getting Delfino's minutes. He can defend multiple positions, good rebounder, and his 3-point % is equal or better than Carlos.
     
  3. StevieFlight3

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    Throw him in there! MORE VARIANCE. Thunder won't know what hit them.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    The sample size is tiny, but the offensive numbers for Brooks/Rockets when he's on the floor are just ghastly:
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    (but slightly less gruesome than Lin's)
     
  5. denali_wjl

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    The few games when Harden was out this season, Rockets wasn't doing bad with Lin and Beverley, they won over Clippers on March 30, won over Magic on April 1.

    Forgot when was the other games that Harden missed, but when you say Rockets would lose when Harden goes down, that is just not true. This team's got some young talents, the No.1 options going down doesn't mean the team will automatically lose.



     
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  6. PhiSlamma

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    I don't care what you think. So, whether or not you are "going to give me the benefit of the doubt" means nothing to me. I was here long before you were and don't need your help in analyzing the game in any way.

    I've seen your stuff, here and at RealGM. I'm HotRocks34 over there.

    You've never seemed high on Lin. That's cool. I guess we will just have to disagree. I'm ok with that.
     
  7. kanariya

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    I remember after winning those games.
    People here having knee jerk reaction saying Harden is the problem.

    How Lin runs the offense smoothly. How PB and Lin playing well together.

    Suddenly Lin turns to a guy that will shoot 3-14 2reb 3ast and 6TO.
    Where as he put up numerous 20/10 nights plus the W.

    When Lin is hurt and down. It's the best time for the haters to come out and hate with "legitimate" reasons.
     
  8. ivanyy2000

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    Lin should NOT play in this series even he is healthy. I say it even though I am a Lin supporter.

    Playing him would not be fair to Beverley, Brooks and Cisco, etc. Those players are playing well and seemed matching up pretty good against Thurders who is without Westbrook.

    More importantly, it is not fair to Lin. Let us face it, local Houston fans as a whole never embrace the Lin signing. A lot of them turn against him pretty quickly whenever he had a bad or subpar game.

    Rox are winning without Lin. Playing him will just put tremendous pressure on Rox team and Lin himself, and put them in a very difficult position. Even Lin has a good game, but if Rox lose (which is totally possible because Thurders is still a better team and they just need to win 1 of 2), people will just say look it is all because Lin comes back and disrupt the team chemistry. He can't win and I don't think it is fair.

    As for Bev, I still stick to my view. He is a solid role player, far exceeds what Rox pays him. And IMHO, a better complementary to James Harden because he plays off ball better. But he is really nothing too "special" other than Rox is paying him dirt cheap. For gods sake, he and Brooks were against the almighty Reggie Jackson and Derek Fisher combo in this series. And let us face it, the "unbelievable" Beverley was outplayed by Reggie Jackson last night and got torched in the fourth quarter. Imagine if it was Lin...
     
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  9. just a word

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    It's simple, if Lin can help the Rockets (based on tests that the trainers give him, based on his acceleration in his practice jersey), play him, but probably in limited minutes so that he doesn't reinjure himself (high variance!).

    If he can't help the Rockets, don't play him. If there's doubt, err on the side of caution.

    It's not Rocket Science. :grin:
     
  10. wfeebs

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    Whats funny is the LOF's have no idea about the rafer-brooks-Lowry-dragic carousel we have. This is classic Morey he finds a cheaper backup who shines when the starter gets injured, and bam the backup becomes the starter
     
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  11. MrSabotage

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    The fact of the matter is that a lot of people just don't like Lin for some reason. I don't really know where it stems from, but it's pretty disgusting honestly. He is by all accounts a great person and teammate and he's never done anything to deserve the type of disdain he gets from people. Some of you are pretty ****ty human beings.

    There's just something about the guy that a lot of people just want to hate him, revel in his failures, and look for any opportunity to kick him when he's down. Maybe it's because he has so many fans who are the opposite and give their undying support to him. Maybe it's because he's Asian. I have absolutely no idea.

    But when you have people coming in here and saying a guy who captivated the planet last season with the Knicks, then came back and had a solid season this year as a starting PG of a playoff team... A guy whose physical tools (not necessarily skills at this point) stack up with almost any PG in the league... When you come on here and say that he shouldn't even have a spot in the Rockets rotation just because he got hurt and the team played good without him- that he shouldn't even play over Brooks who shot 4-11 and 0-3 from three last game- you are clearly biased against the guy and you're talking out of your ass.

    This isn't a 49ers QB situation at all. It's not even close. Basketball is a totally different sport. Jeremy, if healthy, should play because he's talented enough to be in the rotation at least. He can come in off the bench perhaps, play team basketball, and help the Rockets. If you don't want him playing if he's healthy, you have something against him personally and I feel bad for you, that you would harbor ill will towards someone and you don't even really know why you do it. Pathetic.
     
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  12. thesonofsam

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    Real question for the Lin "defenders" if you will is, what about the last 2 games makes you want to mess with the rotation? He has been a fine player for this team this year but he is sitting on the outside of this magic and I don't want to mess with it right now. (And as stated multiple times by multiple people, he will not be taking Delfinos mins. Obviously they do different things.)
     
  13. boiler

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    Couldn't agree more. As of now, Rockets don't need Lin much even if he is healthy and can play. He will probably play poorly in the first game if he plays. Imagine if he came back, played poorly, and Rockets lost, he would be crucified for the loss, justified or not.

    Now if Rockets advance to the next round, I would like to see the coaching staff gradually working him back to the rotation and managing his minutes based how he's playing.
     
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  14. Fighton

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    and that is a very good thing. competition brings out the best in people.
     
  15. PhiSlamma

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    I'm good with keeping things as they are. Team is in a groove.

    I understand, though, that the "groove" the team is in coincides with Westbrook's injury. Which occurred at about the same time as Lin's injury.
     
  16. denali_wjl

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    Rockets is paying JLin 8 million per year, so what kinda of number you expect?

    Let's see a few PGs with similar salary:
    Devin Harris 9.9 PPG, 3.4 APG
    Mo. Williams gives you 12.9 PPG, 6.2 APG
    Rodney Stucky 11.5 PPG, 3.6 APG
    Jameer Nelson 14.7 PPG, 7.4 APG

    Looking at these examples, I can't say Rockets are overpaying JLin.

    I get it that JLin's contract doesn't look like a bargain, but is not a bad contract either. Why do some ClutchFans just can't get over it? Sometime I do feel some of the ClutchFans might be kinda cheap, no offense.


     
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  17. RoxOn RoxOff

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Rockets benched him. He wanted to play. RT @<a href="https://twitter.com/rkbeckman">rkbeckman</a>: @<a href="https://twitter.com/jonathan_feigen">jonathan_feigen</a>if this was hockey, he'd be benched for not playing with a bruise.</p>&mdash; Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/330032158288781316">May 2, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  18. PhiSlamma

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    People are resistant to change, including a change of their preconceptions. People like to have things in the nice little boxes they put things in within their minds.

    There's a lot more to the story, but that is like an executive summary.
     
  19. Reach

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    I see very little "hate" for Lin here on this board. What I see generally are people who get on Lin when he has bad games, just like fans of every team would do when one of their own isn't performing up to par. You seem to be interpreting most of this as "hatred" or "racism," which I'd say is the wrong approach.

    This isn't a Knicks board, where one would actually see a strong dislike (or "hate") for Lin due to the fact that the Knicks fanbase is littered with Melo fans who saw Lin as a threat to his reputation. This is forum for the HOUSTON ROCKETS a team which, incidentally, embraced the first Asian star in the NBA. Don't carry over that victim mentality over here.
     
  20. Firebomb525

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    That magic can easily be broken in an instant if Beverley gets into foul trouble, or Brooks shot is ice cold. We are on a high right now, but momentum is a tenuous thing. Things could change in an instant.

    I can't comprehend how so many do not want to play a starter who plays his heart out every single game and hates every second he isn't on the floor. We've always been about high character guys (Yao, Scola, Battier, for recent examples). Why have we all of a sudden turned our back on this one now?

    The dude may not shoot the three as well as Brooks, but he is a better defender and playmaker. I'm not saying he needs to start, I'm saying we need every man on deck to be ready for anything OKC throws at us,
     
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