why would SA even consider this trade? TMo and a second rounder for one of the better up and coming point guards in the league? That's funny. BTW I don't see SA trading or getting rid of Tony Parker if the get Kidd in the off season. Would you if you were Pops? I wouldn't.
I like the idea of getting Lamar Odom, but at what price? (This is dreamcasting. Since Clutch started it, well...) The Clippers really like Lamar Odom, from what I understand, but you can be sure he wants to get the hell out of there, considering Donald Sterling won't pay anyone. It would be semi-pointless to bring in Lamar if you don't keep Cuttino (sigh) and Mo Taylor. ("No no no, Cat; you pass the bong to the left.") So who would you conceivably have to give up to get Lamar? Probably Steve Francis in a 3-way trade (the Wizards have cap-space); but popular young All-Stars are seldom traded away. I love the idea of Lamar Odom as our point forward, but to get him would take a trade that I don't think CD or RT would even consider. Too bad though.
Sane, Kukoc for Cato works for me. Brings in another "pass first" role player in Kukoc. This team could use that. Plus like you said, another "expiernced veteran" and one that has NBA Finals experience! That is worth something to this team. And if his contract comes off the books sooner, than all the better. Sane, I like you new line up. Kukoc, Anderson and McInnis bring in more quality depth and adds a lot of versitility. Pretty solid team there! Nice pieces to augment our stars in Francis and Yao.
pgabriel think back before the season Fans were against having Odom because he, Fancis and Mobley were such good friends. I do see advantages of Odom but not with both of the Guards. their passing to Yao leaves a lot to be desired as both are poor passers.
Thanks Deuce. I really like that line-up too. I think it adresses all our strengths without weakening anything. Kukoc and Anderson are good 3-pt shooters, and Boki should be decent too. McInnis and Anderson are brilliant assist to turnover guys. We only lose some rebounding off the bench, but overall improvement from Eddie and Ming, along with a decent backup PF/C should fix that. I'm banking on the Rox making these types of moves this summer.
You have no clue what you're talking about. Nobody cared about Odom and Mobes friendship.(Odom and Francis aren't really buds) People were scared because of what he would cost(possibly the #1 pick) and the drug and injury issues. Odom doesn't have the same game as SF and Mobes. He doesn't dominate the ball to score, he just makes plays, and can play pg to pf. I would give anything cept Yao and SF to get Odom(hell, mebbe even SF if the rox got more in return) but it ain't happenin. I think Clutch is just wishing out loud.
Yetti, If it matters much to people with a sense of NBA basketball....Odom straight up for Mobley is a no brainer even with Odom's pot smoking. What I was asking presumes Mobley for Odom is not ever happening no matter how many throw aways you add in. The only thing that makes sense to me, regarding Clutch's take, is that Griffin has become tradeable based on his poor play. Griffin for Odom is dreamland, too. Griffin and Mobley....uhhhhh... I don't know. I'd ask for another player, like Ely to offset their PF logjam that would create...because it seems reasonable that LA will keep Odom or Brand, and not lose both. Sterling will not let both go. The idea that he will just toss them to us, well....ok, but why wouldn't he toss them to other teams. It's like Allen for whatever it was. No chance....Seattle way overbid everyone, if Allen was even made available in multiple phone calls. That will happen with Odom and Brand trades, too I mean...neither got traded at deadline, right. We will likely be overbid unless it is Mobley and Griffin.
Basically whatever happens this summer is going to come down to who the Rox are willing to part ways with. To be honest, I dont see any of our starters save Posey going anywhere. SF and Ming are the future, Cat is one of the best bargains, and EG is still developing (and from what we heard last summer is dedicated). That pretty much leaves Cato, Rice, and MAYBE Boki as players others might want. I would think any trade we make is going to involve these players in principle. I personally think Cato is gone. There really are no minutes for him to justify his contract. Kelvin is having a MUCH better year so his value is higher than normal, but I dont know if it is enough to get Odom (unless he makes a big stink about playing here). Here's hoping Sterling decides he wants to win and would make a deal for Odom rather than go through another lame duck season with he and Brand awaiting free agency.
If the Rockets were made up of the Western Conference All Stars ....about half of the posters here would want to trade them for the Eastern Conference All stars. The majority of these trade ideas are lame..the rest are just plain nuts.
Mobes and Griffin for Odom and Ely? Sounds good. But again, Odom is the least likely to leave the Clippers.
Sane, If the Bucks are willing to take on Cato's contract for Kukoc, then it would ease a lot of the luxury tax concerns. Kukoc is essentially in the same cap situation as Rice meaning he will have 1 yr left on his contract this summer. I honestly dont know if the Bucks would go this route; it is an upgrade for them personnel wise, but there is word that they are trying to cut salary b/c they want to sell the team. If Cato is traded for a player(s) with 1 or 2 yrs left on his contract, then the Rockets could deal Rice to a team for a lengthier contract and avoid the luxury tax assuming Posey and all are let go. As far as the Mobley/Griffin for Odom/Ely. I wouldnt mind this as a last resort, but I would still shop around several other possibilties before going this route. I still feel this team needs to acquire better backcourt complements to Steve which the Blazers suggestion would achieve and something like Mobley/Griffin for Rose/Parker would achieve as well. I think a backcourt of Parker/Francis would be unstoppable.
A) Acquiring Kukoc for Rice would be a great trade for the Rockets but a horrible Trade for Bucks. Kukoc brings maturity, fundimentals (which this team needs badly), and can hit the mid-range jumper (another area we are lacking). B) Aquiring Odom is a poor idea. Why do you guys think he would be a good addition to the team? I would much rather have Elton Brand. I like Brand because he is a tough defender and a work horse. He is going to get 4 to 5 offensive rebounds a game. That is amazing. Here are a few suggestions Rockets need to work on 1) Get back to basics - Passing drills, floor spacing, and movement off the ball (see Kings/ Mavs) 2) Get a real point guard (Pass first point guard). Move Steve Francis to shooting guard 3) Get Elton Brand type player (Rebounding specialist) 4) Speed up Yao Ming's timing (Work on those fast twitch muscles) 5) Get a swing man like Kukoc. Hidayet Turkoglu is lost in Kings rotation he would be a perfect fit.
One thing about Odom > he's a terrible jumpshooter. Ever since he was a rook, he's had a tendency to pass up wide open outside shots for drives to the basket. Is this really the type of SF needed to compliment Yao/Steve? I'd prefer a great spot shooter at SF, someone with height to wait for the kickouts on the double from Yao. If they were at all interested, I'd ask the Pacers about J.Bender. With Artest/Mercer/Harrington/FJones/Reggie, they are very deep at the SF/SG spot, and he surely wouldn't cost us a starter. Bender hasn't done much yet, but I remember in HS he could light it up. In one predraft workout, he hit like 18/20 3pts. Just imagine having a 7-footer shooting over 6-8 SFs all day, as well as a height matchup for the Garnetts and Nowitzkis of the West.
Howse about a straight SamIam for Mobley deal. The Bucks are willing to get rid of Ray Allen, and with Payton their Sam could play the point for us, plus he's in love with the Rox still.
Milos:- I like your thinking, if its realy the SF. position we are thinking about. I understood that most posters were suggesting Odom as a Point Forward, to play Point Guard.
If Odom takes over as point, how is he improvement over Steve? Still needs penetration for production, but Steve's excellent shooting is not comparable to Odom's. Lamar is not Magic, or even Penny circa 1996. He is an exceptional athlete who can't shoot. Other than better ball-handling, what does he bring that Posey doesn't, besides soft D?
