Yes, because everything old is bad. Maybe the U.S. should disregard the Constitution because it was written hundreds of years ago by men in white wigs. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality; Paul did in setting out rules for the church. I'm not saying I agree with all his rules (in fact, I had long hair prior to returning to school) but probably was a product of the time. Other cultures/beliefs also frowned upon it at that time. Als0, Paul wasn't exactly a saint prior to joining the church. In fact, he probably wasn't afterwards either...
He said he did not consider Collins a Christian. My question is does he consider Jackson a Christian? How about all the players that regularly cheat on their wives? How about those folks that eat shell fish?
Dude those people who used the bible would have used any other book available if not the bible. Just because an evil person tried to use something inherently good for evil purposes does not make that thing evil nor to be discarded. I dont know anyone who doesnt think gay people should have the same civil rights as anyone else. Your problem is you dont see that and focus in on gay marriage like pavlovs dog.
Really. I admit to being ignorant on the inner workings of chicago. I had just assumed that it was a liberal town because of its voting tendencies. Im assuming they vote democrat because of union ties then? In nyc i rarely meet any union members who are socially liberal.
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I didn't say everything old is bad. I said people used the Bible too literal to live their life. Different times, different life. People should use the good of the bible's teaching, instead of things that really has no affect on a person's life, unlike some of the dumb stuff that was written in the bible: long hair, can't shave, tattoos, homosexual etc.
People vote for a particular party for many reasons. Yes there is a strong union voting bloc, and also people in the suburbs right outside of Chicago are very politically conservative. If you look at a map of Chicago there is a large black population (mostly democrats) but it is all grouped together in pockets inside the city limits. Politicians in Chicago just pay lip service to the racial and societal issues. History has made Chicago very segregated, ever since the Civil War when blacks flooded the city and were quickly pushed together.
Multiple Sources eyes are unchristian. I don't if he is looking at me, or clutch the bear... that's the real travesty here.
Then we fundamentally agree, but who mentioned gay marriage? Gay rights entails a whole lot more than the word marriage. Even then, my discussion has been more focused on attacking peoples' belief in the "justification" of their discrimination.
You didnt mention it, i assumed it because it seems like gay rights is a euphemism for gay marriage lately. Im all for changing civil unions to have the same civil benefits as marriage. I dont know why they just dont push for that rather than trying to redefine marriage.
Because having sex with someone of the same gender and having sex with someone of an entirely different species are exactly the same thing. But, hey! Props on not bringing up either pedophilia or necrophilia. At least you draw the line somewhere!
OOPS. Just saw that. I TAKE BACK MY SARCASTIC PROPS! It blows my mind that this ridiculous argument has been occurring for years and these people still haven't grasped the whole idea of this little thing called 'consent'. Kids can't do it. Animals can't do it. Dead people can't do it. Adult human beings of the same gender can. WTF? IS THAT SO HARD?
I don't care if Jason Collins is gay. But I do care that all the "arguments" against gay people are ****ing stupid as ****. You think you're saying something valid about gay people, but the only person you're really talking about is yourself - and you're not saying anything good about yourself at all.
If you use the bible (church) to make any decision or form an opinion you're an idiot. Case in point, in the Bible God (the good guy) is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, meanwhile Satan(the bad guy) killed only Job's children after God gave him permission to. Yup, that sounds like a playbook for life.
I like many, dont care if a person is gay...And even though, I dont agree with their lifestyle choice, it is their lives... The Church has a clear definition of a marriage as being a union between a man and woman, and in my opinion, most churches have that innate right to refuse the marriage of something they deem inappropriate. Its a religious belief and standard for a given religion and no religion needs to conform to the outside world. You either except that philosphy or you dont. However, I do believe that if there are enough people that want approval for a homosexual couple union, then I do believe that the courts have a duty to society to provide that for them. If there are partners that want to get married, bc that is a life long comitment, then that is their right, and society should provide that for them. As a society, we have to be tolerant to any and all kinds of folks, and when we loose that ability, we discriminate....In order to avoid such things, it is important to define the lines clearly from church and state. The church (most theological scholars) will agree that the union of marriage is defined as man and woman. However, the state shouldnt have to use the definition of marriage according to the church. On the same token, the government should not force a religious establishment to marry same-sex partners either. A church should have the right to refuse...If a couple wants to get married, they have to find the right establishment that will honor their marriage (ie Court appointed marriages). And if a church, mosque, synagogue, temple says no...then that is their right...and the couple has to find another option. The government should be that option.
I've just skimmed through this thread and not surprised by most of the comments. Glad to see an NBA player has come out but as others have said I don't think a player who is in the twilight of his career and not currently playing is that much of an issue. I think a much bigger deal will be a player in the prime or at the start of their career who comes out. That said what Jason Collins did was still important and for those saying "whatever" consider why did it take so long for an NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL player to come out? Why is people like Jason Collins and John Amaechi, players who aren't actively playing, to come out instead of an active player? That right there says that acceptance of homosexuality isn't just a given in our society.
