1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Only the Houston Rockets can fix Howard's life

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kastuul, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,575
    It's the other way around: Only Dwight Howard can fix the Rockets' life.
     
  2. rainjacket

    rainjacket Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2013
    Messages:
    177
    Likes Received:
    5
    Imagine Dwight on the Warriors, if they could somehow give up Bogut/Lee to get him. That would honestly be even more insane.
     
  3. Morlock O

    Morlock O Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,413
    Likes Received:
    32
    Not a rocket fan this...
     
  4. Aleron

    Aleron Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,685
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    McHale's machine like repetitions are easier to teach than Hakeem's finesse for a player like Dwight.
     
  5. Aleron

    Aleron Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,685
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    It's as shaq said, he needa a go to move and a counter move, he's a power player, he doesn't need much more.

    Hakeem had like 5 moves, and 5 counters for each move.
     
  6. ryano2009

    ryano2009 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    7,887
    Likes Received:
    5,400
    we still need a PF
     
  7. andyacecandy

    andyacecandy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    1,188
    Likes Received:
    381
    I don't want Howard. His offensive game is atrocious, you can't go to him in the clutch, and we'd have to offer him a max offer :eek:

    Personally, I think Pau Gasol and Brook Lopez are much better big men. I hate watching the robotic movements of Dwight Howard... and would hate to watch it with him wearing red
     
  8. larry cook

    larry cook Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    699
    Likes Received:
    277
    Hey Howard we'll add the cherry and bring in ya bud Smooth. Harden-Smooth-Howard will be the new big 3. Bring it on Miami.
     
  9. BEAT LA

    BEAT LA Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    Messages:
    7,662
    Likes Received:
    197
    Howard / D-Mo
    J-Smoove / Jones
    Parsons / Delfino
    Harden / Anderson
    Lin / Beverly

    Sign Howard and trade Asik for Josh Smith.
     
  10. Morlock O

    Morlock O Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,413
    Likes Received:
    32
    potentially a 55 - 60 mill starting 5 salary, depending on how much J-smoove will sign for...how much will our salary cap next year be?
     
  11. kuku

    kuku Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2012
    Messages:
    2,158
    Likes Received:
    125
    20M D12
    15M Harden
    15M JSmoove
    8.3M Lin
    ----------
    $58M

    I believe once Morey signs D12, he will not go for JSmoove. This will leave him little room to fill out quality role players/future room for Parsons.

    Asik's stock is high. I see Morey trade Asik for undervalue player who can almost fulfill the same role as Smoove but for much less. Here are some of PF's who IMO are undervalued:

    - Ryan Anderson ($8.5M)
    - Amir Johnson ($6M)
     
  12. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    21,086
    Likes Received:
    22,532
    I think we can make it happen and we can be contenders and all that. I think he wants to win, and there are at least 8 teams other than the Heat who would have a shot at winning if Dwight joins them.

    What I don't believe is that he will leave $20-$30m on the table to leave LA. Obviously, the more the media say this, the more likely he will leave it on the table just to prove a point. He seems to be stubborn like that.
     
  13. Patterned919

    Patterned919 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    2,332
    Likes Received:
    163
    I think I read in some article that if you look at only the first 4 years, he'll be paid more in Houston when you account for state tax. He gets that extra year in LA though.
     
  14. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    21,086
    Likes Received:
    22,532
    Hmm, I thought I read that the state tax minimizes the difference but still doesn't account for the whole difference. Would he leave $10m on the table? Wouldn't he get fewer endorsements in Houston as well?

    The key factors here are money first. If you follow free agents, you will find that money is the lead indicator and everything else only becomes important in exceptional circumstances. But even if we look at other stuff: are we the best chance to win? endorsements? lifestyle? coach?

    I think we have a good package to offer, but he seems to love the city of LA.

    I know if I were him, I would think about whether as a FA after his final year with Houston... could he still demand $10m to cover the difference between what LA is offering and what other teams are offering? That would cover the cash and make us a viable destination.

    Player option after year 3 would be beneficial to both sides IMO.
     
  15. kastuul

    kastuul Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,277
    Likes Received:
    50
    2 Superstars is enough.
    We need space to sign/keep good role players and bench players.

    If we have 3, one of them has to sacrifice.
     
  16. kuku

    kuku Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2012
    Messages:
    2,158
    Likes Received:
    125
    Here's a article on Dwight's salary breakdown playing LA vs. Houston.

    The Los Angeles Lakers are two losses way from an early exit from the 2013 NBA Playoffs, and even as the team suffers through the end of what has been, at best, a trying season, all eyes are (still) on Dwight Howard. Will he stay? Will he go? Will he agree to terms with one team, then sign with another, then try to say he didn’t mean to . . .just how crazy with the situation be?

    The entire NBA will breathe a sigh of relief once Howard finally determines where he will play basketball for the foreseeable future.

    The two teams that seem most likely to land Howard long-term are his current team, the Lakers, and the team that would most love to have him, the Houston Rockets. The Rockets could have the cap space to sign him and they offer arguably the best supporting cast to put around him. James Harden has emerged as one of the best shooting guards in the NBA, Chandler Parsons is one of the most underrated players and is the ultimate X-factor, and Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik have been solid this season.

    The arguments for the Lakers are much more straightforward. First and foremost, they are the Lakers, the gold standard of basketball around the world, the most popular NBA team of all time. Playing for the Lakers means playing in the brightest spotlight in a world of bright spotlights, and that is not something to be walked away from lightly. And then there’s the money factor. On the surface the Lakers can pay Howard quite a bit more money than anyone else, but in the case of the Rockets, that’s not quite true, all things considered.

    Here are the salary comparisons, thanks to HOOPSWORLD’s Eric Pincus:

    Approximate Yearly Salary with the Lakers:

    Year 1: $20,513,178.00
    Year 2: $22,051,666.35
    Year 3: $23,590,154.70
    Year 4: $25,128,643.05
    Year 5: $26,667,131.40

    TOTAL: $117,950,773.50

    Approximate Yearly Salary with the Rockets (or any other team):

    $20,513,178.00
    $21,436,271.01
    $22,359,364.02
    $23,282,457.03

    TOTAL: $87,591,270.06

    Yes, when looking at the numbers alone, the Lakers clearly have the advantage over any other team looking to lure him away. In the case of a Texas team like Houston, however, there are some significant factors that have to be considered. Texas has no state income tax, and for someone making better than $20 million a year, that’s a huge consideration. Just look at how the California income tax breaks down over the first four years of the contract:

    Year 1: $1,075,666.03
    Year 2: $1,156,340.98
    Year 3: 1,237,015.93
    Year 4: 1,317,690.88

    If we look at the first four years of the contract, Howard would make $3,692,371.44 more with the Lakers than he would with the Rockets. Adjusting that number for California’s state income tax, however, Howard would actually make $1,094,342.38 more as a Rocket playing the majority of his games in a state with no income tax because he would save $4,786,713.82 in taxes.

    As for the fifth year, the Lakers certainly have an advantage in being able to offer Dwight more long-term security, but unless he suffers a career-ending injury he is going to sign a contract after this one, meaning he will get paid for that fifth year wherever he plays. He would most likely have an opt-out, anyway, meaning the fifth year is not really a major bargaining point, again, barring injury. For what it’s worth, Howard would pay $1,398,365.83 in state income tax in California if he were to play out the end of that deal.

    The other factor involves where games are played. NBA players pay 1/82nd of their income tax to the states where they play, providing those states have state income tax. As a member of the Rockets, Howard would play all of his home games and the highest possible number of his away games in states with no income tax. Texas is obvious, with the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks in the same division, but there are also two games in Tennessee and two games in Florida, the other NBA states without income tax for a total of 49 games each season. As a Laker, Howard would only play ten games in those states.

    The comparison doesn’t end with state income tax, however; the cost of living must be considered, as well. Manhattan Beach is the place to live in LA, and high end houses in that posh part of California runs $1,101 per square foot. How does that compare to, say, The Woodlands in Houston, the correspondingly cool place to live? A high end house in The Woodlands would run just $108.00 per square foot, or roughly one-tenth the cost of its counterpart in Manhattan Beach. Additionally, the salary indicator based on cost of living demonstrates that in order to make the equivalent of $20 million in Houston you have to make $30,330,020 to live comparably in Los Angeles.

    That’s a staggering difference!

    The other argument that people like to make in favor of the Lakers is that Howard could potentially make a great deal more money through endorsements in Los Angeles than he could elsewhere, and while there might be a little bit of truth to that, it’s not as big as people think. The national brands like adidas will find him wherever he is, like they found him in Orlando. The smaller local endorsements are just as plentiful in Houston as they are in Los Angeles, and again, no state income tax comes out of the Houston deals. Additionally, a company looking for a Lakers endorsement are still going to call Kobe Bryant first; in Houston, Dwight would own the space. He would also get to spend time working with and learning from Hakeem Olajuwon, who still calls Houston home.

    Does all of this mean that Houston is the frontrunner in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes? Hardly. The number one reason for Dwight to stay in Los Angeles is a reason with which the Rockets can’t compete. The Lakers are still the Lakers. If the money details don’t matter and it’s all about global branding, the Lakers are second to none and that’s every reason why they will more than likely keep Howard in town long-term. There’s also the issue that the Rockets have to clear cap space to sign Howard to the max, while the Lakers can go over the cap to re-sign him. Given that the salary cap is roughly estimated to be $60 mil next season, the Rockets project to have $17,781,453 in cap room this summer, which is well short of Howard’s max. Houston would need to trade or otherwise dispose of a couple of players to sign Howard.

    Still, there is a compelling case to be made for Houston. The Lakers may be the favorites, but the Rockets hope to at least give Howard something to think about.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-2-why-dwight-howard-chooses-houston#bWWxIB7iohO6mw3j.99
     
    1 person likes this.
  17. bloodwings19

    bloodwings19 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    5,667
    Likes Received:
    4,264
    #WeLoveYouDwight

    We have the biggest basketball arena TV in the nation, if not the world. See yourself BIG!!!
     
  18. larry cook

    larry cook Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    699
    Likes Received:
    277
    Morey should talk to both and do something like miami did where he promises to pick up both which would make us instant contenders but explain to them in order to make it work they must be flexible.

    Dwight 15mil
    Smith 10mil

    Bosh, Wade, and Lebron did it, get them both on the phone, take em out to eat or whatever it takes Morey. I'm pretty sure at this stage of smooths and dwights career they'd like to play together and win a ring on a contending team.
     
  19. larry cook

    larry cook Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    699
    Likes Received:
    277
    fixed
     
  20. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    16,237
    Likes Received:
    2,019
    Howard AINT 'bout DYS LYFE hurr...
     

Share This Page