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I think we've found our PG of the Future!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. ComeBack

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    So whose gonna take lin for 20mil over the next two year. 5 mil in 2013-2014 and 20 mil in 2014-2015. Do we keep him for next year and trade him in the last year of his contract as an expiring k for teams to clear cap space? He has disappointed me in the playoffs so far.
     
  2. ComeBack

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    Couldn't edit but I meant 15 mil in the last year.
     
  3. kreia

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    Dude averaged 14.6 and 6 since November.
    Him averaging 16 7 next year is not entirely out of the question, in fact its pretty likely.
    That said Bev has outplayed him these playoffs so far and the injury is really unfortunate.
    If Bev continues to play this well and Lin is still injured/plays bad for next 2/3/4?:D games then I suspect training camp will decide who starts at point guard. Any other scenario and he's definitely retaining his starting spot.
     
  4. real_egal

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    I just did a quick search, on his first game starting for Rockets he was 12-5, but second game he was 21-10-7.

    I know you would judge Beverly on one game, but Lin is always treated differently.
     
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    When CP3 got injured a few years ago, Collison started as a rookie and had a stretch with allstar numbers. He got one or two 20/20 games even, and some fans were calling for trading CP3 out...
     
  6. Exel

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    That and he believes 16 and 6 is a monster game. Beverley played a great game today, especially on the boards, but let's too crazy here.
     
  7. basketballholic

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    I think you are right. Or at least you should be right. In my humble opinion, and I'm definitely not a LOF, Lin should not only be the starter but he should have the ball in his hands to start the game and truly be running the offense. The greatest mismatch would be to have Harden working the top when Lin goes to take a break and the reserves start coming in. As devastating as Harden is against opponent's starting units, he would be double devastating against bench players. And Lin is much, much more effective running PnR from the top and making decisions with the basketball off his penetration than spotting up, receiving, and then deciding whether he's supposed to shoot or drive off what Harden created.

    Jeremy is at his best when he is running pick and roll (WITH A BIG THAT CAN FINISH THAT WE DON'T HAVE) and making great decisions with shooters on the wing and corners. Jeremy has already proven he is sensational in that role.

    The problem right now is we don't have that kind of big that can finish up top and our shooters need to get better. And frankly, the dynamic between Lin and Harden still hasn't balanced out properly. If there is never an adjustment made to play to Lin's strength's (which doesn't mean you have to play away from Harden's strengths, there's plenty of possessions available for both guys to take), then Lin might just be wasted here whereas on a team like the Knicks that need a playmaker he can light it up.

    I am convinced that if we did nothing else we would be better off as a team if Lin ran the show from the start of the game with Harden playing on the wing. And then the rotation starts with Lin going to the bench for Beverley and Harden moving to the top, preferably when the opponent brings in some bench players. Harden is a high turnover player. The vast majority of his turnovers come from making penetration, banging around in the paint and NOT GETTING THE CALL. If Harden was doing more of that action against the opponent's reserve players, he would more likely get the call made his way and would have lower turnover ratio and higher scoring ratio. Combine that with the fact that Harden is the far superior spot-up shooter to Lin. Lin is the lower turnover guy and Harden is the better spot-up shooter.

    The offense with the starters should be ran to start the game with Lin at the top. Then down in the closing minutes, you look at matchups and determine who leads the show. Yes, Lin is improving on the spot-up 3-pt shot. I'm sure he'll turn into a respectable 38-40% 3-pt shooter next season. But even so, it's not where he is most proficient. Lin is most proficient when he gets in the paint and either finishes or throws it up for a 65%+ finish or he throws it out to a wide-open 3-pt shooter. Lin is in a position where instead of throwing up a 38-40% 3-pt shot, he is shooting a 55-65% layup or getting fouled for the 80% free throws or getting the bucket and 1 for even better offensive efficiency. When Lin is in the game, he really should be controlling the top for the most part at least primarily and then letting Harden shoot the spot up jumper or run a secondary pick and roll after Lin rolls through and passes out.
     
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  8. Nextup

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    Wow it took today's game for you guys to figure this out? I have posted on several occasions that bev needs to play at least 30 minutes a game. He is one of the better players on the team. Only Lin harden and bev should get minutes at the 1 or 2. Who starts doesn't really matter,what matters is minutes and their is enough minutes to go around for Lin and bev because they play well together and Lin has enough height to play some minutes at the 2. Making Lin the 6th man would be a horrible move, no point in destroying his confidence for nothing. Bev plays with so much energy he could be one of the better 6th men in the lg. Be needs to be the first guy off the bench .
     
  9. RiceDaddy7

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    It's the yellow shoes that Beverly wears.
     
  10. Billionzz

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    I agree with your good post. Beverley played very good and I'm glad he is on the Rockets but I think Lin is better and he runs the offense better and he should be our pg of the future.
     
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    Bottom line....NONE of these point guards that Morey has brought in (Dragic, Lin, Lowry, Beverley) are good enough.

    NONE of them.
     
  12. ChandlerBANG

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    Lin in his current state is a very poor match for this team's system IMO. To be a stable starter for the Rockets, he either has to drastically improve on his weaknesses to fit into the system better (basically become a different player than he is used to being) or the system has to change (done by McHale or a new coach).

    At this point Beverley looks way more comfortable within this system, even with limited exposure. As soon as he can bring the energy/hustle without recklessly fouling, he'll be an ideal fit for McHale/Harden.
     
  13. jason330i

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    well, i think bev has been playing well these last two games. and you have to give him bonus points because this is the playoffs and it is against the thunder.

    if he keeps this up, i could see lin being shipped out.

    bev is cheaper and will probably fit well with harden.
     
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    Thank you for posting this, even with a misleading title. I agree completely. Beverley is great and I love his energy and his full-court press defense, but he has no offense, isn't as great a passer as Lin, and I doubt he could keep that energy up for an entire season.
     
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    beverly is good, although lin is better and that is why he is starting. i think that the coaching staff saw that lin would be better off the bench than they would have put him there. im not going to solely judge beverly by a couple of good playoff games against the thunder, im going to judge him off of the season. overall this season beverly has surprised, and i think it is a good mix of bev and lin that we have.

    in some games bev can be useless just as lin. it all depends on match ups with certain teams. once their is a training camp, i think lin we be utilized much better for what he can bring, especially on the offensive end. this whole season was a rush for the rockets coaching staff and i dont think they have drawn up many plays for lin/the team becasue its easier to tell harden to shoot the ball.

    i would not be opposed to seeing lin being a 6th man, not because he is not better than bev but if the line ups are more effective than him being a 6th. lin has shown flashes of hitting clutch shots and i like that. although i still think lin has higher upside
     
  16. kastuul

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    It called new player bandwagon which happens to T-Rob last time.

    Toney Douglas has record with 9 three pointers in a home win against the Memphis Grizzlies. After he started as PG, fans call him "garbage".

    Dragic had a Playoffs game with 23pts in 4th quarter, and he got trade next year.

    As a starter, the sample size is too small.
    Most of player can't handling the scouting report and 82 games.
     
  17. Penetrate&Creat

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    If you're not delusional, then the most likely situation for next season probably is:

    - Lin will start, and continue to start
    - Bev will sub in sooner for Lin, probably at the 5 minute mark
    - Lin comes in for Harden at the 2-3 minute mark, as opposed to him playing the entire first quarter as usual
    - We find a balance to space all 3 guards, all the while giving Harden more rest

    Lin is not going anywhere folks, stop creating more LoF/LoH drama.
     
  18. apollo33

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    fighting over mediocre average players

    guys stop
     
  19. RollingWave

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    These XX of the future thread have worked out realll well haven't it?
     
  20. Fair Dinkum

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    I believe only New York has to match the exact same contract structure:
    Year 1 - $5m
    Year 2 - $5m
    Year 3 - $15m

    If he is traded, teams that get him only take the average as a hit to their cap =$8m a year (ironically, about what Felton and other average PGs get paid)

    Having said that, I really doubt Lin will be traded for anyone that's not CP3.
     

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