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I say let us determine first what exactly he was responsible for and how much of this he planned himself. Let us hear his side of the story. If it's ****ty, then by all means he deserves all the hate he gets.

 

He knowing let children die and cops be slaughtered (He aided in the matter too). I couldn't care less what his relationship to his brother is. He's a grown man.

 

I don't disagree that he let them die. At age 19, people still had immature thoughts. You had immature thoughts. Everybody has scenarios in their head where they could kill someone. But obviously, they never go through with it. What I'm saying is, this kid was probably put into that type of situation where he could kill people, where the button was right in front of him, and he didn't know any better. At age 19, recall when you were angry and just wanted to hurt somebody but you never did because you didn't really have anyone to push you to do it or it was never really plausible. Now imagine there's a button in front of you where you could.

 

From age 16-22 are the years young people contemplate suicide the most. Just saying. That's how undeveloped our minds are at that age.

 

While I understand what you're saying, you're attempting to formulate a chain of intent on a human being you know nothing about. We don't know how he got radicalized, whether it was his idea or he was influenced by his brother or by a 3rd party.

It's a waste of effort to try to project your own logic on a person that commits completely senseless acts before there is any actual information to analyze.

Human beings who do terrible things are often acting in ways that is irrational to others but rational to themselves. Whether that's due to psychological issues, a coercive relationship, brain washing, or simply become a "true believer" in a cause is irrelevant at this point.

In the end, a bunch of people are dead and injured. Until he goes through the justice system, any attempts to explain his behavior will appear as if you are trying to excuse his behavior.

And in the end, personal responsibility is still in play. Unless his family was under a death threat, or he was brain washed through coercive behavioral conditioning, he still had a choice. And that choice was to act or not act, do or not do.

You can argue that he's undeveloped at 18-22, but the law recognizes him as an adult. We don't excuse 18 year olds for signing bad contracts, disobeying traffic laws, exercising poor voting judgement, or sleeping with the wrong people. Arbitrary as it is, he may not be old enough to know better, but society has decided that he's old enough to take responsibility.

And we certainly don't excuse them for planting bombs and shooting innocent human beings when they are of the age of majority.

Yes, as we proceed through the investigation we may find reasons to be compassionate, or even to some degree forgiving, but without any information regarding those relationships I think it's too early for either.

 

Dude, at 19 I was masturbating in my daddy's tool shed, I wasn't thinking about making bombs with pressure cookers because I was too stupid to even know how to use a microwave to heat up a hot pocket...

 

There are people that are still immature up into their 30's too...yes many immature people think and wanna do dumb things, but the vast majority of us didn't do it because of how we were raised/coming to our senses/not wanting to screw our future/etc. You can't hide behind the "I was immature" card when you kill people like a terrorist and force an entire city on lockdown. Sorry, dumb immature people make dumb immature choices, but they have to pay for them too, especially when they had the choice to say "nah, I don't think I want to kill innocent women and children today". Seriously...how effed up do you have to be to not be able to rationalize that decision?

The instances you're talking about suicide, killing someone who probably pissed you off, etc. are not terroristic activities that involves the death of kids...those are different, this is different...way different.

 

I'm surprised he climbed out of the boat like he did. I guess when he was bleeding out he decided he wanted to live, but I have a feeling he'll regret that decision for the rest of his life.

 

Video of this??

 

CNN is showing a picture of him standing looking like he was getting out of the boat. No video though.

 

wow the suspect is treated in the same hospital as the victims?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ect-and-a-dozen-victims-in-same-hospital?lite

 

Maybe I am not being clear. You are assuming that they do not intend to rely on information gathered without Miranda rights at trial, I am not convinced of that.

 

#thatcray

 

I am familiar with the history of the exception, had to study it in law school and then toyed with the idea of using it as a prosecutor. However I am not comfortable that the information gathered will not be used in a court of law, and that is the issue. This is a perfect test case to expand the scope of the decision. There was a report last, Jeffrey Toobin even stated " their position is that they can rely on the information". So either he shares my concern or he was mistaken. Alan Dershowitz, who quite frankly hates Muslims on the radio expressed a similar fear.

I hope I am wrong. I was a young prosecutor around 9-11 and saw the difference with which suspect were treated and the erosion of right that started at the Federal level and filtered to the state and local levels.

 

IMHO, almost anything he says to investigators would have some strong possibility of:
* helping investigators/FBI/DHS figure out exactly how the older brother became radical, including who he may have visited overseas.
* helping investigators/FBI/DHS/profilers understand how a well-integrated kid like this 19-yr-old student & lifeguard decide to go along with such a heinous plot.

Each of those points would reasonably help the nation catch potential perps before they inflict another such event on us. Every percentage point of probability is worthwhile, IMHO.

 

http://mobile.slate.com/articles/ne...he_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html

Here is an article the touches on my concern of the public safety exception and the expanded use of it.

 

If he lives and cooperates -- he'll get a life sentence at ADMAX Florence with other terrorists and the worst of the worst from American prisons.



At 19 he'll probably have 60+ years to live in that tiny cell -- a fate worse than death IMO.

 

Tosh.0 like mentioned before. That's why it's in quotes

 

Good lord, I wouldn't last in there a day.