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Harden is overrated

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sydeffect, Apr 18, 2013.

  1. Nook

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    Repped.
     
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  3. Nook

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    You didn't play in college. You speak broken English ... Provide no knowledge in your posts.. and your username is not one would choose if they played at a high level.
     
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    I agree that he did play better before he injured his foot.

    but

    He is a great player that is only 23 and he is continuing to improve.
    I don't call that overrated at all and I'm very happy that he is a Houston Rocket.
     
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    The OP is obviously the voice of ignorance. Gotta love that lack of understanding.
     
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    Harden's not overrated, he's been misused and abused. Harden is an amazing offensive talent, can shoot the 3 ball, can iso, can drive through penetration, can create fouls like no other (this is a must for all aspiring superstars), can shoot free throws well, can create plays. His averages and his skillset clearly screams budding superstar. The reason he's been so unsuccessful lately is because the coaching staff did not put him in position to be successful but rather put him in position to fail.
    All those turnovers he had... he shouldn't be handling the ball so much and attempting to create plays as much. His efficiency is directly affected by the over-reliance on Harden by McHale. If Lin were to lead the offense, using Harden as the main featured weapon, we would have the mixed up offense, the ball will be spread out, and every player would be engaged and this will open up the game more for Harden giving him energy to play defense, saving him energy to do his thang when we need him to.. Harden's being misused as much as Lin. And no question, Harden if used correctly, is our sole superstar contender.
    The Hero-ball thing's gotta go though. Once again, I put this on Mchale.
     
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    He's good, but he only has a few tricks. Good defenses routinely stop him these days. Probably a combination of his sore foot as well as limited offensive moves.

    I don't know how much he can improve. He started out with great shooting percentage. I doubt he can improve that even further.

    He needs to play smarter, as in serve as a decoy. And I don't mean that drive and dish which everyone knows he's going to do. I thought he said he was crafty. He needs to give up the ball more quickly and play off the ball to trigger the defense to shift.

    I don't mind losing if we play beautiful team basketball, but lately it's just so ugly.
     
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    Your last statement is something I agree with wholeheartedly. If we lose playing fluid ball with a lot of passing like we were a month ago, I could live with that. We did our best and we will be better next season.

    But like you said, it's been so ugly and that we keep making the same mistakes these past few games makes it so hard to accept :mad::mad::mad:




     
  9. Fighton

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    we're 2-4 since harden's been back, and really should've been 1-5, including losses to phoenix and lakers without kobe.

    harden is not overrated as an all-star. but definitely is as a so-called superstar and franchise player. give him a few years... he might get there. but to bestow the title of superstar to a player starting for the first time in his career is very premature, to say the least.
     
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    He's not super athletic and not a physical freak. He needs to play more team ball and more efficiently. He has to play both sides of the court to be considered elite.
     
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    The odd thing is you described what Harden does most of all (play team ball and play efficiently) and are part of his strengths as what he needs to do more.
     
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    If you read any of my posts you know I am not a big McHale fan. But this is not McHale's fault or at least not in the way you think. I watched McHale yell at Harden after he Iso'ed late in the game and I watched Harden Yell right back. What more can a coach do. He teaches in practice and coaches in the game and on the court the player chooses to what he wants to do. He could bench him... oh wait he tried that and everyone on this board wanted him fired for doing it. He could throw a chair at him... that worked for Knight... oh wait he lost his job. The quickest way to get fired is to get on the bad side of your superstar.

    That being said you have to give your superstar some free reign. He is your superstar for a reason and you don't really want to coach away what he does naturally. Still there is some kind of balance that needs to be understood. Larry Brown was always fighting Iverson to get that balance. JVG pretty much never fought TMac and we saw how that worked.

    So if you want to blame McHale blame him for not having control of Harden. But IMO it is one of the lesser things I fault him for. He has so many other problems that go way beyond that.
     
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    He was great at the beginning of the year; steep decline towards the end of the season. I suspect it is bad influence from too little discipline from the coach.
     
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    Trap thread.
     
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    If true then Harden is indeed overrated, headcase...ego problem...

    That'd be terrible for the Rockets.
     
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    According to coach, all the problems started when there were not enough ISOs.
     
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    Would you rather go back to Kevin Martin?
     
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    From lakers game interview, Harden said it was on him. he should make those shots. I appreciate his attribute.

    I feel like he really does not know what the real problem is. missing shots is the last one to blame yourself.
     
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    nowadays, it's hard for a head coach to work with a superstar. their ego is too much for a head coach to hand. sometimes, they can't do anything but let superstars to do whatever they want. brown in cavs with lebron is a typical example. brown did nothing over there.

    who doesn't have ego? otherwise, he won't come to rox. he would accept his role with OKC.
     

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