Originally posted by TheHorns Before I answer another of your BS posts, show me who I called protesting "unamerican" or show me where I said those protesting action are un-American. Actually what you did was advocate using peace protesters as human shields. I guess we can just hand you pro-war people an M4 and have you dropped into Baghdad to "fight for our freedom". Good idea, we could send them in as the front line since there are no chemical or biological weapons. I can see it now, all holding hands walking through the desert... aww, what a sweet site. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51888 Here you are talking about a college girl, excuse me, that b**** protesting the war saying she's taking for granted all of those who died for her freedom because you can't protest and understand the price of freedom, that would be much too difficult to reconcile. Bottom line, the only reason that b!tch can do what she is doing is b/c of the freedoms of this country. The National Anthem is a salute or tribute to our counrty and to honor our freedoms, the issue she has is with our President or our gov't. No ifs ands or buts, what she is doing is ignorant, and it is a shame that people take for granted all those who died for her freedoms. To be honest, maybe what she is doing is best, she doesn't deserve to face our Flag! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52610&perpage=30&pagenumber=5 Here you are saying you don't support violence against free speech (what a novel concept). Then you get into the semantics of protest. Protesting against the US flag is wrong but protesting flags of the armed forces is okay but then again if you're a patriotic American demonstrator against war why would you protest the USMC or US Army instead of the government that makes the policies that lead to war? That makes a lot of sense. I'm sure at the pro-war rally, I mean, pro-troops/pro-President rally there were no US flags and only armed forces and Presidential flags. Let me start with this, I would not cause her any harm, if I saw her I would be angered somewhat, but more than anything I would feel sorry for her, she simply lacks education. The ignorance she is displaying is sad. What does the National Anthem and the American Flag represent? If the flags of the armed forces were being presented or the Presidential Flag was there, I would not think it was right, but I would at least understand her not wishing to face it/them. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52610&perpage=30&pagenumber=6 Here you are talking down to anti-war folks about how much you appreciate freedom yet detest the excercising of that same freedom because protestors just don't understand or appreciate the cost of that freedom like you do. Then the interesting concept of a protester, according to you, having to fear that people won't one day die for her when she's in fact protesting so people won't die. I do not say she should appreciate them in the same way I do,but she should respect the fact that this country is based on freedoms. Freedoms that were won in wars that were fought by people who gave their lives for what that Flag stood and stands for. To not show your respect for that Flag, what It stands for, and those who died for It is completely disrespectful. She should fear me? No, she should fear the day people are not willing to die for some one like her. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52610&perpage=30&pagenumber=6
1) For the record, the demonstrators in that article which I was referring to were from the UK, Europe, and Australia thus I would not deem them un-American. 2) About the human shield statement, very good, I still feel that way. If they willing to die for their cause as the ones who are in Iraq now, should they die in the course of action, we should care? BTW, the group who is there now is mostly from the UK. Notice where I speak of the ignorance in this matter, I am speaking of the method she is using to protest. The action that b!tch is partaking in is what I find inappropriate and is the focus of my resentment toward her. (a repeated statement after this sentance is the reason for the edit you see at the bottom) I am not talking about her anti-war, anti-Bush protest an un-American act, I do see turning on your Flag as un-American. Whether it's her doing it in protest to military action, or its Mahmoud Abdul-Raouf b/c of his religious beliefs, I feel the National Anthem and the Flag should not be a part of the protest. The National Anthem and the Flag represent the freedoms and foundation of the country, not the current stance on issues. I was not insinuating that violent acts were carried out by anyone on either side of the debate. What prompted the "I am saying I would not cause her any harm" statement was Mrs. JB stating: Mrs. JB was implying that she feared for this girl b/c people think like I do. I was simply explaining that me saying what I said about her does not mean I am a violent threat to this girl. So she needs to protest every flag that flies at the pro-war rally, I mean, pro-troops/pro-President rally? That was not talking down to, or even talking to for that matter, "anti-war folks." Genius, that entire thread and all of the posts I posted in it pertain to respecting the Flag. You are not making a very good case here Timing. Its futility aside, I respect your effort.
Here you go... again... I am not talking about her anti-war, anti-Bush protest an un-American act, I do see turning on your Flag as un-American. Whether it's her doing it in protest to military action, or its Mahmoud Abdul-Raouf b/c of his religious beliefs, I feel the National Anthem and the Flag should not be a part of the protest. The National Anthem and the Flag represent the freedoms and foundation of the country, not the current stance on issues. Well, I think you're un-American for valuing a song and flag over freedom of speech and religion. The foundation of my country and the freedoms it provides are more powerful than any flag, any song, and any protest involving those symbols.
How about because it's true? DeLay is extremely unpopular amongst young Republicans in Houston. I know...these are my friends and contemporaries. 1. Pi = 3.14 2. A lot of young Republicans dislike Tom DeLay. Now you can take it as a given.
When the Flag burning trend was happening, I felt that was un-American, while you likely thought us who called it un-American were un-American. I can understand your desire to deflect the attention from your inability to prove I called protesters of the military action "unamerican," but let's stick to the topic here. I’m not sure, but I may have said this before; I am not calling her anti-war, anti-Bush protest an un-American act, I do see turning on your Flag as un-American. Her means of protesting is inappropriate. We do not see eye to eye on this situation, and I am accomplished at arguing in such cases as I have been married for several years now. If you would like to proceed like my wife and continue to argue it for an extended period of time only to conclude that we still do not see eye to eye on the technicalities, we can. You are doing exactly what 111chase111 was referring to in the above post. You are generalizing or applying a broad view to a narrow topic. You said I called protesters “unamerican” when I have not. If I did not know her motivation for doing what she is doing, I would have the same feelings toward her. If she were doing that to protest the anti-war protesters, I would still find that was inappropriate, so that is a completely unconnected issue. Proof I feel that the National Anthem is a time to respect the Country and the Flag. Though I WAS NOT calling radio stations complaining like some, I WAS one of those who were sending letters to the Rockets organization the last two years stating that I felt Mobley and Francis were being disrespectful by stretching and doing other things during the National Anthem. Let me guess, you think I am un-American for valuing a song and flag over freedom of stretching horsing around and adjusting armbands. The foundation of your country and the freedoms it provides are more powerful than any flag, any song, and any stretching & BS-ing that goes on during the National Anthem.
