looks to me like the Lofs have dragged the higher ranks to their level in a pissing match. happens a lot. happens to me in the texans forum..sometimes posters can drive you to the darkside.
Thank goodness Clutch took out the script from the LOFs and made it the real vote. Lin is good but nobody could be this irrational about Lin being the leader. Good player. Harden however is a real superstar. Post #394 so all ya'll LOFs can see what happened.
Now that we're free of the fake Lin votes that were "pulled over our eyes to shield us from the real world", it's reassuring to know that the majority of people here see Harden as the team leader. What's really interesting to me is that this thread generated some passionate discussion about the nature of leadership, with really great points of view being offered by all sides in the debate. You guys have challenged my thinking on leadership qualities, and I now realize that others in my workplace may have differing views which I need to be sensitive to. Thank you!
I get your point, but I think the football-basketball analogy (or simile) breaks down fairly quickly. Playmaking happens differently between the two sports. Lin isn't on the court for every offensive play. Even when he is, on any given possession the play can go through any of the other players. I've always found basketball to be a lot more democratic than football, and when one player on the court is significantly more talented than the rest, his leadership often becomes the natural order of things
I remember when many people here thought Rafer was the leader of this team at one point in time...and he was often the least talented guy on the court.
As you say, talent is not always the determining factor, but in sports, there tends to be some correlation with leadership. Yes, I can also think of lots of other examples where the leader assumed that mantle because of his determination, heart, vision, a bigger purpose, or even circumstance.
I understand your analogy but if you are trying to prove that the QB is the leader, Houston is probably not the best place to do it
This shouldn't even be a question. Some people feel no shame whatsoever about blindly supporting one player regardless of ability and in a team sport no less.
No one really knows enough to answer this question. You need to go to games, see the practices, see how they interact in the locker rooms. I'd value Jason Friedman's view of who the leader is more than any public poll result. People who say its just ability doesn't understand leadership. Although, no doubt ability generally correlates with leadership characteristics (grit, determination, etc.), but plenty of able men/women have failed to lead.
