whether or not chinese become superpower or not its determine by the chinese, its the hardwork of the chinese, not the russian or ameriacn !. everyday the american is doing everything necessary to make sure china doesnt become superpower regard of china is democracy , dictatorship , captilism or communism. the americans n its governmetn jsut cant stand another superpower but themself, they want to be alone the only superpower in the world!! every anti-american country n alot of third world contry hope that china will become superpower to balance the already in-balance world today. nepolean once said when china move the world move, yes this dragon is waking up after the suffer from the white imperialism and japanese invasion from the last 300 years. selling opiums to china n poisoning my country men for more than 100 years , colonize my country in the name of free trade , force up to sign treaty for money n lands! , gang up the nation of 8 to invade our capital city to rob our palace n steal our wealth! it isnt the communist properganda that many of chinese feel so strong nationalism or we dunt trust foreigner, its becuz of our past ! yes our government is communist , its int democracy n its done many many mistake , but it is this government that is revoring us to the road to be strong again like we once were, we chinese were never expanisonist through out history , but the american trying to paint us one saying we are becoming a big threat..., if this government didnt try to do everything to make our nuclear weapoons about 30 years ago , we would be like north korea n many conuntries today get bully by the american or we wont have a say in the united nation n a say in the world community, if we didnt have our air force , american plannes would be flying in our airzones spying out our country or bombing any target they want like they did in the 50's until thier spy plane got hit. our army is not strong compare to the world standard by our army is mainly build for defense purpose n reunification of taiwan! we dunt need many groups of air carrier groups of station our troops all over the world to protect ourself! whether u like it or not many has predicted the chinese will be stronger or equally strong to the american in economic in 50 years. taiwan is the only thing left for the american to play games with the chinese to keep us from stronger n faster, it is the responsiblity of any chinese government to reunite china, therefore no matter what taiwan will reunify with its motherland ,the longer the stronger china get the harder for american to do anything about it! alot of peoples are getting sicker about american government becuz of their current leader bush, hes taking advantage of the creadiblity of the past good american president! i think for american instead of fear of another country become stronger it shoudl worry about their government n its policy first!
the pla principle is to protect china not expansion, not even ameriacn has the ability to conqeuor china!
China has historically been incredibly non-expansionist. They long ago reached their 'natural boundaries', and have rarely ventured beyond. The latest invasive activity with Tibet, while not unprecedented, might be a sign that they are starting to look outwards, but it's doubtfull. Little known fact: After WWII, when the Powers That Be were dividing up the world, they offered southeast Asia to Mao..or at least to make it a Chinese 'zone of influence', and Mao said thanks, but no thanks...he said it was not an area external powers could control with any long-term success...Interesting, and also indicative of traditional CHinese foreign policy thinking. One of the reasons that they have existed for so long, like Egypt of the past, was a recognition of the limits of expansionist benefits, given their natural strengths/weaknesses, and their ability to forsee the point of geo-political equalibrium, and not go past it. And yes, in terms of the US becoming the 'Evil Empire'...whether we, on the whole, think of ourselves that way is irrelevent. Do you honestly think that any of the people of the Evil Empires of the past thought that they were? Don't you think that they merely thought that all the complaints about them from foreighners was a combination of fear and envy, just like many of us thin now?
fatfatcow, I assume you are from mainland China. If not, I will say sorry and both of us move on. Remember the Chinese idiom? "the more you paint, the darker it looks." If you want to be a patriotic Chinese on an Internet forum, you are doing a deservice to your motherland. Please stop your irrational exubrance w.r.t. China and its international relations. Take it easy, my friend.
i am from hongkong. i dunt get what u mean of me being irrational n deservice? i am expressing my thoughts . i mean do u suggest me to stop posting n debate with peoples who think my country are evil , n amny who have wrong impression of my country n its government system,etc??
Sorry for my "ignorance" but I am just quoting my professor who is one of the advisors on ASEAN for the US government and who is also Chinese. He said that Japan's economy is about 1/4 of the US economy and China's economy is about 1/4 of the Japanese economy. Maybe he was rounding off too much, but that is what he told us. 1/4 of 1/4 is 1/16. Also, why does no one want to mess with the Chinese army? They are not well equiped and as you said their technology is very outdated. Japanese military techology is very up to date. Just because they are big doesn't mean they are good. One of my other professors had said that the Chinese military is more reliant on nukes for their military power and detering invasion. Their actual army is not trained for fighting wars because it is primarily used to help control the civilian population. I could be remembering him completely wrong, but that is the basic jist of what he said. And also the Russian military is a complete joke. One more thing...check your numbers on the defense spending for China. Last time I checked it was around 20 billion dollars and 17.6% of the budget. Japan's 2000 military spending was somewhere around 50 billion if i did the math right.
Fatfatcow....again you are wrong. America does not want another military superpower. Do you understand the difference? Did America do anything to stop Japan from becoming an economic superpower? NO. Is America trying to stop China from becoming an economic power? NO. The last time I checked China is one of the biggest trading partners with America and we have a trade deficit with them. Also America needs Asia in general for our economy to be strong. America does not want another MILITARY superpower because then that creates the possibility for armed conflict which causes everyone to lose.
it is wrong towan to be along the only military superpower in the wrold anyway and when the chinese become economic strong it will become military strong this is related! in order for the american to stop the chinese becoming military superpower it need to stop or slow down the chinese econmic growth form being economic superpower
What? Ok, one by one... America has learned that Asian economic strength is vital to worldwide economic health, but it was a slow learning curve, and if you honestly think that the US did nothing to lessen Japanese economic strength, or see their emergence as a threat in the past, particularly the late 80's, ealry 90's, you are dreaming. And not wanting another MILITARY superpower because that creates the possibility of conflict is the weakest rationalization I have ever heard. We currently have the possibility of military conflict...just not with someone who is a threat TO US. That is what wanting to be the sole military supoerpower is about...the same thing it has always been about...the ability to dictate to lesser powers , and back it up with military power if need be, without significant risk to yourself. The only people who don't lose when you are the only one with the loaded gun are you and those you like...
fatfatcow, I was born in Shanghai and lived there for 21 years. I worked in Shenzhen for six years. I love Hongkong and have many friends from Hongkong in Shenzhen and in New York. I respect your rights to voice whatever you want. I love China as much as any Chinese I know. The good news is China has been doing very well in the last two decades. The bad news is not all people in China are liveing well. China has a long way to go to build a civilized society as we want it to be. Demonization of China is not new in the west media. However, I have seen tremendous turnaround in the las 5 years. It's very difficult for westerners to understand China and Chinese things. If you want westerners to understand China better, I suggest you describe what you experience in your own part of the Chinese society in a rational manner. It's very easy to involve in a pissing contest with people who don't have a clue in anything Chinese. IMHO, your defense for China is a little radical to the left side. I don't mean to be disrespectful of your purpose. But as a fellow Chinese who were though the Cultural Revolution and the 89 events, I just advice you to think before you speak for China. Peace.
Sorry, I explained that pretty poorly. Just go here and read this document and it will explain things much better than I did. http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html Its the national security strategy.
It's not difficult to find relevent statistics. Japan's norminal GDP is about half of US, IIRC. GDP is a tricky number in today's globalized economy. It's a huge topic. If you are not very interested in war history and military, it's hard to explain in a rational way. This shows you are not interested in history and military Simply, nobody wants to fight a conventional ground war against Russia on its turf. You can ask Napoleon or Hitler for that matter as reference. This shows you are not interested in East Asia China's military spending is the murkest among major powers. A lot of R&D and procurement is hiden from published figures. Let's stop at this. Japan today is not a military power. They have the resources and manpower to be an awsome military power. But that's another issue, though.
I've seen it improving ever since Nixon's trip, but you're right, I've sensed an improvement in the press over the last few years. Maybe changes in the Chinese govt's practices are the cause for at least some of the changes? It would be nice if issues like Tibet were resolved, just like the US would benefit greatly when the Palestinian issue is resolved.
China is a popular political football on the capital hill As China is more and more integrated with the global economy, people are able to see and feel China in a real sense. In general, the American media is as objective as ever in recent years w.r.t. China. However, the Tibetan issue is different from the Palestanian issue. IHMO, no single nation in the world can be a pure moralist with regard to any other nation. It's all relative and all about timing. I don't think China's handling of Tibet is all kosher. The Tibetan issue in the west media is humanitarian, geopolitical and religeous. Just too much One thing is certain. China has to do much better in all minority regions before it can claim to be a respected great power.
It's not difficult to find relevent statistics. Japan's norminal GDP is about half of US, IIRC. GDP is a tricky number in today's globalized economy. Sorry I didn't go all out to research it. I just went by what my professor said. He just said economy size, not specifically GDP or GNP. I will make sure to tell him that he is an idiot next time I see him and to be more specific. It's a huge topic. If you are not very interested in war history and military, it's hard to explain in a rational way. Why is it hard to explain in a rational way? And why do you just suddenly proclaim that I am not interested in history? You just state that no one wants to tangle with the Chinese army but you don't give a reason why. Wasn't China beat down by the Japanese? And didn't China sustain massive casualities during the Korean War? Anyhow...yes China would be impossible to take over because of the massive civilian population would not stand for being taken over, but not because of the amazing capabilities of its military. This shows you are not interested in history and military Simply, nobody wants to fight a conventional ground war against Russia on its turf. You can ask Napoleon or Hitler for that matter as reference. Quit being condecsending...I said the military is a joke. Can you disagree with that? I didn't say the geography and climate of Russia made it easy to invade and control, did I? This shows you are not interested in East Asia China's military spending is the murkest among major powers. A lot of R&D and procurement is hiden from published figures. Let's stop at this. I do know that the Chinese military budget isn't clear. However, that doesn't mean that the Japanese military budget is greater than the entire budget of the Chinese budget unless you have numbers to show me otherwise. And also why do you keep saying I have no interest in things? Japan today is not a military power. They have the resources and manpower to be an awsome military power. But that's another issue, though. Japan has slowly been leaning more and more towards rearming if you haven't noticed. Their SDF is already very formidable as well. No they are currently not an offensive military power, however when statements are made that Japan would attack North Korea if they knew of a planned attack against the Japanese then that does turn them more towards being a military power. Do you agree or disagree with that?
chinese didnt get beat down by the japanese , it was chang's(nationalist ) fault cuz he think innere wound are harder to heal so he concentrate all his force to fight communist, he consideer jap are outer wound so he use space to trade time n know the jap will evenutaully die down becuz china is too big for them to conqeror! alot of chinese died in the korean war but becuz of the lack of equipment n weapoons , even tho the american was much better technology wise they had alot died too so it show how tough to chinese army were ! the pla is the only army recongnize by the world that won battle againist american! do any one wwant to mass with the chinese army on our turf? i dunt think so , the pla defeated the indian army, the vietnam, foguht against the american n soviet union and still exist today!
