This is sort of an extension from my other topic, but this one focuses more on Steve current state of mind and it seems unique enough for its own post and i want to make it into a poll so here it goes. I think that Steve has been playing scared lately and i think he's worried about all the negative press UNJUSTLY pushed on him for sharing the ball, my question is why?
He is seriously injured and also needs to learn how to become a point guard. He is improving slowly....
You should add 1 more option: His skills and mind set (at least for now) aren't suitable for an inside-outside game.
21/8/8. Over 50% from the field. If he did this every night for the rest of his career, he'll be in the HOF. Disappointed in the poll results thus far. Bunch of haters.
I think most of people don't hate SF, but probably will agree being a LEADER, make a RIGHT decision for team maybe too much for him right now. Since a leader is hard to find in this league, maybe we can bring in some vet players to the team, and let Rox have more options to make decision at crutch time. And tell the truth, I guess nobody had taught SF how to make right decision since he entered the league. He is all alone and try to figure out the whole thing. This is not easy, you know, although it supposes to be the coach's job to at least find someone to teach him.
No one hate Francis. But he's our supposed leader and a leader is supposed to lead us to winning. Numbers don't mean much if they don't translate to wins. This league is littered with players who put up big numbers day in day out but never seem to be able to win. I hope for God that Francis isn't one of those players. No HOFers didn't play in the playoffs mind you.
Well, to be truthful, we're not the Spurs. They play as a team. I wouldn't say they're more talented than the rockets, but they have guys that know there roles. I mean, is Malik Rose more talented tahn Eddie? No. I'd rather have Malik as my forward though if it were for a must win game. Is Stephen Jackson better or more talented than Posey, I don't think so. What makes them solid players though? I don't think it's their 20 year old PG. The main difference between the Rockets and Spurs is that their best player is alot better than our best player, and their role players know and appreciate their roles as well as move without the ball in their hands. Also, not many guys in this league can go 21/8/8 on a given night. Also not many players under 6'5" who've averaged 20/6/6 in their first 3 years.
Please stop throwing useless stats around. Good players put up good stats and there is NO ONE that will dispute the fact that Francis is a good player. However, great players are leaders, and leaders help their teams win games. Leaders aren't and shouldn't be concerned with stats but rather with the W. Like I said, stats are not something to measure a player's value.
I am not talking about the game against Spurs. I am talking in general. I know Steve's a talented player and he put up incredible numbers. But that's a difference between talented players who put up numbers and players who win games. Actually very big difference. That's the difference between Dominique Wilkins and Michael Jordon, Patrick Ewing and Hakeem Olajuwon, Glenn Robinson and Kobe Bryant, Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Tim Duncan. Sometimes I know it's not just Steve's fault for us losing. We win as a team. We lose as a team. But as a leader, you have to shoulder the responsibility otherwise you should not be the leader in the 1st place. I want Steve to succeed. I want him to become Jordon, Hakeem, Kobe and Duncan rather than Wilkins, Ewing, Robinson, Abdur-Rahim. Hell I have no choice because I want our team to succeed and our team has made him our franchise player. Well I don't know what I want to say. I just think that for you to put up some Francis stats here to prove he's God or something is pretty meaningless.
Which stats are useless? Rebounds? Assists? Points? Steve may not be a "leader," but I don't know one PG who could've lead the Rockets to the playoffs. You do realize, that for the most part, after Dream left, the Rockets stunk? We didnt' have the horses. It's not Francis's fault. And f$#% off if you think my stats are useless. Stats can be overrated, but 20/6/6 for a 6'3" PG is incredible.
Michael is Michael. He's different than any player. I've said that Wilkins was a very good player who played with mediocre talent. Of course, someone has already refuted that by bringing up Spudd Webb, Rollins, Livingston, Willis, et all. Hakeem was simply magnificent during the championship years. But, there were quite a few years where he was a 20/10 guy yet the Rockets still were not a threat. Glenn Robinson doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Kobe, talent wise. The only thing they have in common is that they're both tall, black and both have lit up our perimeter players. Never said he was a God. If you think my argument is meaningless, so be it. I do know that if Yao put up 21/8/8, there would be alot of "yu see, give Yao ball, he make things happen..." threads. I love Steve, but I'm not sure he's the one to take us to the promise land. Frankly, I'm not sure Rudy is the one that can do it. I've gone on record as saying that I would trade Steve for Kidd or Payton (if he were younger). Of course, this offense isn't structured to where any player gets alot of assists. We run an iso offense. I come to Steve's defense because frankly, I feel sorry for the guy. He doesn't deserve the amount of criticism he's getting. I think alot of you that criticize him are mainly Yao fans. I was guilty of being way too hard on Cuttino because I was a bigger fan of Steve's. I think alot of you guys are doing the same.
i agree. steve francis is a bad player. are you guys nuts? i'll be the first to admit that i'm die-hard Yao fan, but i'll also be the first to admit that Steve is still the franchise. the guy can flat out play, maybe he's not the best PG, but as an overall player he's one of the league's best. there's no way he's a bad player!
I am not a Yao-only fan. I am a Rox fan first and foremost. I will not put all my blame on Francis. As I said in previous post, I think the current problem is that his skills and mind set (at least for now) aren't suitable for an inside-outside game rather that he's a bad player. But I can understand some people's criticism of him and Mobley. They are our leaders and a leader's job is supposed to lead his team to victory. You can't blame Eddie Griffin, Mo Taylor, Glen Rice or even Yao Ming too much because they are role players or at best support players, they are limited and aren't supposed to lead us to victory. Well actually I think some criticism boil to frustration. We all want our team to do well. And when you see your supposed leaders make the same mistakes again and again and we lose again and again, you must be frustrated. Winning can cure everything I believe. But I hope they do it quick.
Steve did good job,the problem is that he should adjuste to the changes after Yao came.He should find more oppotunities for th rest of the team to get open shooting. Give Steve and Yao time, I think Rockets will be championship in next years.
Do you think the Hawks should have traded Wilkens or the Knicks Ewing, without knowing what their future with them would be? In retrospect, they might have been able to improve their team, but at the time, they just went with their future HOFers. The Bulls stuck with Michael, and even entertained trading him for Ralph Sampson if I am not mistaken. I say we should ride out the storm and see what the daylight looks like.
how in the world can the majority say steve is a bad player, either they have never seen him play or they are blind, He is a great player. how is it possible tha on a rocket board the majority thinks he is a bad player. he is great if you have a poll like this on a board of a other team less people would say he is bad. these are moments i really start top dpoubt if the majority here is a rocket fan
I don't think that there are really so many people who thought that Steve is a bad player. But no disrespect to the poll starter, I think those choices were quite bad wordings and not enough. I was forced to choose No. 3 as an alternative (I want to know the result). But my real opinion is that Steve's skills and mind set (at least for now) aren't suitable for an inside-outside game. I bet if he added a choice of something like "He doesn't get it" or "His skills and mind set aren't suitable for an inside-outside game", I bet the majority would vote for that choice rather than the "he's just a bad player". Sorry for this meaningless post of mine.
