For argument sake: Would you trade francis for kidd?

If we want a championship in 2 years or less, we will take JKidd.

If we want a championship in 4 years or more, we stay with Franchise if Franchise becomes a better player.

 

of course, you would want to trade francis for kidd because kidd is one of the best PG in the game. he's very good at running the offense and defending other guards. if we were to trade francis, we might as well trade mobley because he's not a consistent shooter to complement kidd. when Kidd creates shoots for his teammates, they have to knock them down. otherwise, he starts to shoot. as all of you know, jkidd has a horrific outside shoot.

 

We won't win a championship in 2 yrs or less. Kidd has shown that even he can't take the Nets (an overalll better team) to win a championship, in fact not even close. They got whipped pretty good by the Lakers, why do you think he can take the Rox there? Like I said, if the Nets are in the WC they'd be 6th and there is no way they'd make it out of the second round, assuming they even survive the first round. Kidd also happens to be in his prime so that by the time Yao and EG are developed (if EG ever gets better), Kidd will be long going downhill, so we're without a PG again. We'd be much better sticking with SF because in a couple of years, Shaq will retire and we have the best rook in Yao. It will be much better to have a Steve in his prime and Yao's got more game than now but still getting better than Yao not all the way there yet and Kidd ready to retire.

 

No!
But I will trade for Cat in a heartbeat, and move steve to 2.

 

enough said. i'll take kidd over francis in a blink.

 

YES.

But it won't help. Jason Kidd won't have anymore Luscious Harris or Richard Jefferson or Rodney Rodgers or Kerry Kittles. They would go to ruins....Stephon Marbury returns.

IT WOULD HELP A LITTLE. But not much...not with James Posey and Eddie Griffin. But Jason Kidd and James Posey would be pretty good on fast breaks....

 

Well, Kidd's presence would make us a better team. On a team with a better offensive system, with a coach who is more of a teacher and a disciplinarian, Francis probably would have much more success -- both compared to how he's doing with the Rockets now, and compared to how Kidd is doing with the Nets.

Francis and Rudy aren't a good fit for one another. Francis needs someone who is a teacher and a strong-willed coach, with a strong vision for an offensive system. And to have more success, Rudy needs someone who is more of a true playmaker. Hakeem was the exception, a completely dominant player at a time when defenses were less prepared for the basic inside-outside game, and/or didn't have tools like the zone.

The thing is, as much as Kidd could be much more suited for success on a Rudy-coached team than Francis, I don't see how he'd want to come here. He's complaining about a lack of "structure" and "coaching" from a Nets team where Scott has installed a great Princeton-style offense. Rudy doesn't seem to provide the structure and coaching he'd want. And so in the end you're right -- while I say Kidd would make us better, with our system he'd only make us marginally better, as much as I'd love to have him here.

So the sad thing is, as much as I'd personally rather see Francis get the hell out of here, while retaining Rudy (and while hoping to acquire a stud playmaker), it seems like the best thing is to lose Rudy -- regardless of whether Francis remains our point guard or not.

The only way I can see us getting better without losing Rudy is what's been said before: we get some stud assistant coach, with real X's and O's skill, and the ability to implement and teach an offensive system. If that's the case, we can probably have success even if Francis remains our point guard.

 

Yes, I would. And everyone knows how much I love Steve. I think Kidd would bring a "calm" to this team. However, if he's leaving anyway, would they take Cuttino instead of Steve? Kidd at pg, Steve at sg?

If it were Kidd for Steve, both teams would make the playoffs. Wonder if Thorn would want a player who is similar to Marbury though?



Hamachi, what kind of offense does Rudy run, exactly?

 

If Francis continue to play like this, he can never get a championship, not even close. Face it, Francis is a kind of player that can make good stats in a game but cannot lead the team. He is kind of Dominique Wilkins guy.

For Francis, as a PG, he is not as good as Stockton, Payton and Kidd, he doesn't have the talent to pass and make plays; as a SG, he is not as good as AI, Kobe or T-Mac, using his scoring ability to lead the team.

To win a championship, at least we should have a true PG and a true SG, not the one in between.

 

Kidd will be fantastic. just wish kidd is few years younger though.
scoring selfish point gurad does not mix well with big man game, it does not help to develope big man either.
Rocket got Sleepy Floyd in Hakeem' era, they end up trade him away and later on won 2 championships with kenny Smith, a passing point guard and a great outside shooter.
that is what Rocket needs

 

The number of players that I would trade Francis for is growing on an almost game by game basis and Kidd is right at the top of that list.

However, (and if someone mentioned this already then I apologize) the article in the beginning of the thread said that Kidd is frustrated because he is frequently looking over to the bench only to see that his coach has nothing to offer him.

Can you IMAGINE how Jason would feel if he had to look at Rudy holding his hands on his head and looking clueless like he does throughout many of the Rockets games???

No way would Jason come here if he has a chance to play for a real coach and a perennial MVP candidate in Duncan!!

But, I'd still trade for him if given the chance!!

 

Everyone knows we run a 5-man offense.

Seriously though, you're asking the wrong guy. There are other people here who could answer this question better, without resorting to the obvious quip that we don't run any kind of offense at all. So what exactly is Rudy trying to implement?

gr8-1, your question and the original question of trading Francis for Kidd really make me realize that solving our problems isn't a simple matter of switching out Francis for a guy with brains, savvy, BB/PG IQ, or whatever. Francis deserves criticsm, but would we really be a contender with an archetype of a PG like Kidd, given our current system (or lack thereof)?

And assuming Francis hangs around -- the likely scenario -- would he really have success if we had a coaching staff that implemented a motion offense like the Nets', where he still had to make reads, react, and adjust properly?

It seems like Francis needs an offense with lots of set plays, one that creates other options besides drawing the double team and kicking it out, but at the same time doesn't require a lot of decision-making on his part.

These things show just how hard it is to win a championship. It takes the right combination of athletic talent, smarts, a system that emphasizes your personnel's strengths and masks their weaknesses, a coaching staff that matches up well with the players, and for all this to come together at the right time in the players' development curves -- when they've matured mentally, but before they've deteriorated too much physically.

Francis may just be one of those guys who may never win a championship, regardless of his athletic ability. And Rudy, while he's had a great run, his time may have passed. Hell, look at the once mighty Pat Riley.

But I'm sure lots of people once had the same prognosis for Hakeem before things turned around for him and the Rockets. Of course, he had the benefit of rediscovering his faith, and getting a coaching change. I wonder what's more likely -- Steve getting born again, or the Rockets getting a new coach again...

 

I think the question should be "Why would they trade Kidd for Franchise?"

BottleRocket

 

If Kidd is going to leave anyways they might as well get something for him.