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On/Off Clutch-time stats for some of our players

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Mar 8, 2013.

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  1. Ultimate6thMan

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    That's a racist statement suggesting that Lin can't really play good basketball and that only his ethnicity was a factor in choosing to offer him a $25 million dollar contract to exploit the Chinese fan base and markets!

    All of Lin's fans are not only Chinese or asian.

    He has proven he can play basketball at every level he has played in.
     
  2. Easy

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    Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to hear from you.

    Stats without interpretation is just a bunch of numbers. It will be much appreciated if you give us a little more analysis and perspective when you post your excellent data.
     
  3. Easy

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    I assume that it is unadjusted +/-. In other words, the results have something to do with who the teammates are and who the opponent is that are not shown in the numbers.

    I do think the Delfino minutes is interesting.
     
  4. rockbox

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    How the hell is that racist. Obviously he has lots of fans which brings in dollars. Did he mention anything about race?
     
  5. CXbby

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    You can't be dumb enough to keep believing this. Despite flaws that every young player has, Lin is already a very good player well worth his contract. Your boy Brooks on the other hand will not sniff the court barring major injury to either of the 2 far superior players ahead of him.
     
  6. Easy

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    Also, just want to point out that Beverley joined the team in mid-January. He was on the team for about 1/3 of the games we have played so far.
     
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    I can't quite understand how these stats are being displayed.
    So for Harden, in 24 games played he was on 60 minutes and off for 6 minutes during the last 5 minutes of those 24 games?
    Because that doesn't work, since 24 games X 5 final minutes = 120 minutes that were possible for him to play or not play?

    can you link the exactly where you got these stats and not just the website so I can try to get my head around the data?
     
  8. Ultimate6thMan

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    Read EVERYTHING I said and you will understand why it is racist because of what it is suggesting!

    You don't have to mention the word "race" to make a racist comment. If I said PB is dumb, loves fried chicken and watermelon only, and probably has 10 illegitimate children....would that sound racist to you?

    (BY THE WAY, I'M AFRICAN AMERICAN AND NOT SUGGESTING ANY OF THOSE THINGS ABOUT PB)
     
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    So we should play Asik+ Beverly at the end of the game?
     
  10. durvasa

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    I wondered about that as well. I think that page (stats across the whole league) is going by a different definition. Its saying: when the margin is within X points with Y minutes left, what happens the rest of the way?

    The clutch-time stats in the OP, from the team and player stats pages, on the other hand, is only tracking those possessions where the margin is withing X points and there is less than Y minutes left.
     
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    The team as a whole has played a total of 66 minutes where there is less than 5 minutes remaining and the margin is within 5 points. Harden has played in 60 of those minutes, which occurred over the course of 24 games (meaning Harden didn't play in "clutch-time" minutes in 36 of his 60 games played).

    For the team:

    http://stats.nba.com/teamStats.html?TeamID=1610612745&groupFeedtype=clutch

    For the player:

    http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=201935&groupFeedtype=clutch
     
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    Between -5 and 5 (sorry, I meant margin as the absolute value of the point differential).
     
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    Generally, I think Asik should be on the floor in crunch time if the score is very close or we're ahead. Some teams you can get away with playing small ball more than others. I would put the Mavs in that category.

    The entire season.
     
  14. Roxs

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    The NBA.com sample size is infinitesimal. 82games has a better clutch measurement which I posted in another thread. You'll see quite a contrast vs OP's data.

     
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    82games.com last update was 2/24/13. Boxscore stats in clutch-time are also available at stats.nba.com. I do like the W-L record in clutch time, however. Provides a little extra detail to the +/-. I think 82games.com is the only stats site that provides this kind of stat.
     
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    Regardless of win-loss, Harden's low eFG%, 15% of shots blocked and very low assisted% (ie iso-mode) isn't the kind of stats you like to see from your go-to player.

    Not saying others are better closers than Harden, just that it's become too obvious/predictable a strategy that you wonder whether a shot at rum with 3 defenders waiting for you is really better than a long-2 with space even if not taken by your closer.
     
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    Asik having a better +/- than other starters is a no brainer.

    You can't compare Beverly to the starters, he wasn't on the roster until we got most of our best losing out of the way in the first half of the season.
     
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    So all you can take away is that are team as a whole hasn't been good in the clutch. Which we already knew.
     
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    Thanks durvasa, I was trying to play with stats page and attempted to list player clutch performance just for Rockets, but it was either/or not both.

    I think it would also be useful to see what their last 5 minute stats are for the wins vs the losses.

    Question - please explain on/off in your stats, I'm afraid I don't know what that is.

    thanks again!
     
  20. durvasa

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    'On' means the player is on the floor. 'Off' means the player is not on the floor.

    Clutch stats in wins versus losses are also available on the website.
     

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