Francis, Yao among SportingNews Top 25

I'm a little concerned as to why Griffin, Mobley, Taylor, Rice and Posey are missing. This list sucks.

 

So they should have given their max $ to...?Vlade...Christie? No it's Peja, right?....ooops, he's contracted to 2007 and won't make as much as Rice does now....I got it...I got it...Hedo...how about Pollard? No...maybe it's Funderburke...is he the one your thinking about...right?.....Bobby Jackson...no he's good through 2005...

Got it...finally...they shoulda maxed Jim Jackson....did I get it right.....?

Teams over the cap can only max their Bird Rights players. I am pretty sure Bibby became a BYC player when he was maxed making a SnT difficult at best. Care to explain how they screwed themselves or is this just a rant?

 

Exactly!

 

The thing is that Bibby is overpaid by a team that can afford to overpay and is even paying the luxury tax to do so. Bibby basically tied Sac's hands up over the next 6/7 years as far as wheeling and dealing goes. Once Divacs retires, Chirsities and Webber starts their decend, the top players are gonna be peja and Bibby (if he's even that good). They are not gonna be able to keep players like Hedo and Bobby J for finacial reasons and unless this team wins a champioship within the next 3 years, they are in trouble as this team starts to decline and can't even move enought pieces to rebuild fast enough. It's not that they shouldn't have resigned Bibby, its that he should've been signed for less.

 

I am sorry but Yao Ming shouldn't be on that list. His stats are not good enough. Even Mobley has better stats than him.

 

are you being sarcastic?

 

How can Yao be ahead of Francis, Webber, Marbury, Wallace, B. Davis, and A. Walker?

 

Elton Brand deserves to be on that list. As for Yao, he's good, but not good enough to be in the top 10 just yet.

 

one thing i know...u dont watch NBA

 

where did you get this article.
im interested to see waht they said about each player

 

Here ya go.


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Shaq still the immovable object among NBA's best

By Sean Deveney - Sporting News



Someday, in the near future, the NBA will play a brand of basketball that almost completely leaves the traditional back-to-the-basket center out of the mix. As 7-footers are plucked from the ranks of high school, Europe and, heck, even China, the emphasis increasingly is on versatility -- passing skill, shooting range, athleticism. The game will evolve along with it, and low-post centers will be left behind.

Ah, but for now, there is one stalwart of the old guard who is clutching to the traditions of the really, really tall in the NBA. That's self-proclaimed "dinosaur" Shaquille O'Neal. As long as Shaq is in the league (he's signed through 2006, folks), the evolution of the pro game will be on hold. No matter how much speed, skill and athleticism a team has collected, O'Neal still is the 350-pound road block to a championship. Moving that road block out of the way has proved impossible.

With that in mind, it is little surprise O'Neal is, yet again, No. 1 on the Sporting News' top 25 players list, constructed through a poll of 15 of the league's general managers. Basketball is changing, and many of the players on this list are the ones who will be leading the charge. But it's still Shaq's league. As one of the voters says, "We have a completely different breed of player coming into the league right now. But Shaq is old school. We can't get to new-school as long as he is around."

1. Shaquille O'Neal C, Lakers

So big is O'Neal that, a few years back, he had to call a shoe manufacturer in Italy and persuade the proprietor -- financially, of course -- to alter his machinery to accommodate the size 22s the Big Fashion Plate requires. In the minds of NBA general managers, O'Neal remains that big, even as his body begins to falter and, with his 31st birthday next week, as he moves toward the downside of his career. O'Neal missed 15 games last season and already has missed 15 this season. He has had problems with both ankles, his back, his big toe and, now, his mysteriously aching left knee. Still, he is, by far, the most coveted player to the league's general managers, ranking No. 1 or 2 on every ballot cast.

2. Kobe Bryant SG, Lakers

"He's the closest to M.J. when it comes to talent and determination," one Eastern Conference GM states. Certainly, Bryant's body control on moves to the basket and on his fallaway jumper ignites Michael Jordan comparisons. Bryant is beginning to look like Jordan in the stats column, too, putting together a streak of eight games with 40 or more points, and 12 straight with at least 35, something even Jordan would consider an accomplishment. And remember, we still should talk about Bryant in terms of potential -- he is only 24.

3. Tim Duncan PF, Spurs

In some ways, Duncan still is the shy, oddball fellow from the Virgin Islands who speared fish as a kid, whose high school coach thought he was too timid to play prep basketball and who used to toss knives as a hobby while a student at Wake Forest. It shows in his game, which is not given to the wanton acts of crowd-pleasing that motivate highlight hams throughout the league. Proper rebounding position, solid defense and 10-foot bank shots don't bring standing ovations the way chest-thumping dunks do, but they did bring last year's MVP award, and they got the attention of the game's intelligentsia -- Duncan was neck-and-neck with Bryant in our vote.

4. Tracy McGrady SG, Magic

Just one week after Bryant and his wife had their first child, Natalia Diamante, McGrady and his fiancee had Layla Clarice, the couple's first child. Not only did Natalia best Layla by a week, she also outweighed her by 5 ounces. Such is life for McGrady, it seems -- always a half-step behind Bryant. The two are, arguably, the league's most exciting players, and the McGrady-vs.-Bryant debate is an NBA fan's staple. Off the court, the two are friends. They work out together over the summer, with McGrady learning to put aside his easygoing nature to develop a Bryant-like work ethic. That has been the biggest factor in McGrady's surge to the MVP level. He has been at the top of the league's scoring rankings for most of the season, but as always, Bryant is making a push to best McGrady. Bryant has climbed to just 0.5 points per game behind.

5. Kevin Garnett SF, Timberwolves

It dogs Garnett constantly -- and even as he lands among the top five in this poll, two GMs are quick to point out the obvious -- that Garnett has failed to lead the Timberwolves out of the first round of the playoffs in six tries. Garnett's postseason numbers (19.5 points, 11.8 rebounds, 4.9 assists) are better than his regular-season stats, but the Timberwolves are just 5-18 in the playoffs in Garnett's career. Still, he is a solid candidate for the MVP award this year, as he has improved his play in the post while still taking advantage of his passing and his shooting range from 18 feet. Garnett is an impossible matchup, playing small forward at 6-11, and is one of the best defenders in the league, capable of blocking shots close to the basket, pressing fullcourt or getting out on the perimeter to guard small forwards.

6. Jason Kidd PG, Nets

As teammate Kerry Kittles told reporters earlier this season, "Jason Kidd is freaky. There are only a couple of guys in this league that are freaky like him." What is freaky is the way Kidd has brought a collection of decent talent to a level well beyond the sum of its parts. He has a second-year small forward (Richard Jefferson), a developing third-year power forward (Kenyon Martin), a gimpy shooting guard (Kittles) and, well, something resembling a center (Jason Collins and Aaron Williams) around him. After getting the Nets to The Finals last year, Kidd has his team atop the Atlantic Division again. As three GMs commented, "He makes everyone on his team better."

7. Chris Webber PF, Kings

Webber is hounded by the same sort of "can't-win-the-big-game" negativity that haunts Garnett. But without question, it is the presence of Webber that has allowed the Kings to flourish with their fast-paced, quick-screening offense. "Everyone would like to run the kind of motion the Kings do," says one assistant coach. "But not everyone has Webber." He and teammate Peja Stojakovic have an eerie feel for each other that makes them almost impossible to stop because the team does not need to call a play to get Stojakovic open. Webber's ability to think through the game, pass like a point guard, hit midrange jumpers and score in the post makes him the most important cog in the Kings' well-oiled machine.

8. Dirk Nowitzki PF, Mavericks

So how do you handle a 7-0 player who has the green light from any spot on the court, without regard for silly nuisances such as the shot clock and the positioning of offensive rebounders? "The best way to guard him," says one GM, "is to hope he misses." Problem is, he doesn't miss much. Nowitzki shoots 46.8 percent from the field, mostly from the perimeter. What is most impressive about him is that, though his shot gets all the attention, he has worked hard to improve other areas. He has a long way to go defensively, but he has boosted his shot blocking (1.2 per game), steals (1.4) and assists (2. this season.

9. Paul Pierce SG, Celtics

Two GMs say Pierce "shoots too much." One other says Pierce is "selfish, but a great scorer." Maybe so, but the selfishness is by design, at the behest of coach Jim O'Brien. Pierce is a fearless penetrator who regularly is roughed up by opposing defenses. He goes to the free-throw line more than any player in the league and probably should go more often. He is the Celtics' first option for clutch shots, and though his shooting is way down from his career average, he is averaging career highs in points, rebounds and assists.

10. Allen Iverson SG, 76ers

He is only 6-0, 165 pounds; he shoots 40.4 percent from the field; he is an intermittent absentee when it comes to practice; and he has had a series of embarrassing off-court antics. "The size works against him, and the off-court aspects hurt him," says one GM. "But he is such a super competitor." That spirit of competition -- in addition to his remarkable athleticism and talent when it comes to getting off shots in impossible situations -- is enough to get Iverson into the top 10. No one keeps a bruise-per-game stat, but if someone did, it's a safe bet Iverson would lead the league.

11. Jermaine O'Neal PF, Pacers

When the playoffs begin, the Pacers will have one luxury no other team in the East has -- a quality big man who can play both ends of the floor. O'Neal is a great help defender, averaging 2.2 blocks per game, and gives the Pacers length and agility down low. The Pacers call on Reggie Miller when they need a 3-pointer in the clutch, but O'Neal gets the ball when they need only two points. He has a midrange jumper and strong post moves and is an underrated passer. "He's improving every aspect," one GM says.

12. Gary Payton PG, Bucks

No point guard has as much body control as Payton, able to throw off opponents with his herky-jerky drives forward and sudden stops. He still can knock down the ugly fallaway jumper that has been his security blanket, and he is by far the best post-up point guard in the game -- and now the best post player the Bucks have. His defense may be heavier on reputation than on reality, but he's still one of the league's smarter backcourt defenders. "If I had to win one game," says one voter, "I'd want Payton as my point guard."

13. Steve Francis PG, Rockets

With the right diet and careful monitoring, Francis has tamed the frightful migraine headaches that torpedoed his season last year. He has taken the reins of a young, inconsistent team that still is struggling to find its way, and he has the Rockets in playoff contention. As Houston begins to establish itself as a playoff force, Francis' stock will rise.

14. Vince Carter SG, Raptors

Though two serious knee injuries have diluted Carter's reputation with fans and the media, GMs know he is potentially one of the league's top talents. The knee problems may forever eliminate the jaw-dropping dunks that once secured Carter's popularity, but he still is a dangerous scorer. Since he returned from his latest injury, the woebegone Raptors have managed a 7-3 record.

15. Steve Nash PG, Mavericks

Nash is a soccer player at heart -- his father actually played pro soccer in South Africa, where Nash was born. There is a bit of soccer in the younger Nash's game, too, with the way he pushes the ball as though his mop-top hair were on fire, throwing up scoop shots over 7-foot centers or flipping from-the-hip passes in midair. He creates the hectic atmosphere in which the Mavericks thrive.

16. Michael Jordan SF, Wizards

Didn't Jordan and the Wizards promise he would take it easy this season, after last season ended with knee surgery? But here is Jordan, at age 40, averaging more minutes this year (35.5) than last (34.9). In the Wizards' 13 back-to-backs, Jordan has played more minutes on the second night than on the first eight times. "I don't think he knows how to take it easy," one GM says.

17. Rasheed Wallace PF, Trail Blazers

Wallace is not the leader the Blazers would like him to be, and there's little chance that will change. But Wallace has corralled his penchant for technical fouls -- the seven-game suspension for allegedly threatening a referee notwithstanding -- and his on-court demeanor is no longer a distraction. His outside shooting makes him a difficult matchup, but he is most effective when he is willing to work in the post and get to the free-throw line.

18. Ray Allen SG, SuperSonics

Allen is best known as the player who comes closest to perfect form on his jump shot, but his game is more varied than that. Problem is, he has been slowed by knee and ankle injuries that have limited his defense and ability to drive to the basket. He slowly has been rounding into shape and, at age 27, now is being called upon to lead the Sonics' rebuilding effort.

19. Stephon Marbury PG, Suns

The leadership and toughness shown by Marbury this season have rescued his sullied reputation around the league and have caused many to reconsider that Kidd-for-Marbury trade of two summers ago -- especially if Kidd bolts as a free agent this summer. Marbury turned 26 last week and is just hitting his prime. One GM speculates, "He might wind up being the best point guard in the league, when all is said and done."

20. Karl Malone PF, Jazz

He's as timeless as the pick-and-roll, and anyone who says he is too old to be effective has not felt the brunt of a barrel-chested Malone screen lately. He'll turn 40 this summer, and yet, as each month has passed this season, Malone has been getting better. He has increased his shooting percentage and scoring average and again has the Jazz in prime playoff position.

21. Shawn Marion SF, Suns

One prescient GM, casting a vote for Marion, says, "He should be in the top 15. I guarantee he will be ranked too low, though." Good call. Marion continues to shine in relative obscurity despite being one of the league's best midrange shooters, rebounders and defensive players.

22. Baron Davis PG, Hornets

Davis was dominant in the postseason last year, outdueling McGrady in a great first-round matchup. That gave a glimpse of Davis' capabilities, but a chronic back problem and now knee surgery have prevented him from building on his success.

23. Yao Ming C, Rockets

Yes, Yao. He is the only rookie to receive votes and the only center besides Shaquille O'Neal. Two of the GMs who voted for Yao acknowledged that they were doing so based on potential more than current production. Indeed, when the game moves away from Shaq's old-school style of center play, it will be Yao who sets the new-school definition.

24. John Stockton PG, Jazz

Stockton may not look the part, but most opponents would count him as the league's most underhanded player. He cheats, but he does it well. "He knows what he can get away with, and he gets away with it," one GM says. "Drives everyone crazy, unless you're on his team." Stockton probably would take that as a compliment. Going on age 41, he needs all the help he can get.

25. Michael Finley SG, Mavericks

Where the Mavericks usually play with sizzle and flair, it's Finley who provides the meat of the team's attack. He is a good defender, a leader and a reliable scorer, and, as one voter says, "Dallas would be nowhere without him."


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I see the Geritol crew is still getting respect with the GMs.

 

So based on this ranking, Yao is 2nd best center next to Shaq?

 

it means he will be 2nd best C later?

 

Overrated on this list: Carter, Jordan, Rasheed, Marbury.

 

SJC - I agree with you about Jordan and Carter being overrated but I don't agree with Marbury or Wallace. Marbury is just about correctly ranked, but if anything Wallace is underrated. I'd probably put him in front of Webber and Dirk, or somewhere around that area.

The rest of the list is pretty on but I'm suprised they slipped Duncan inbetween Kobe and T-mac, I think Duncan should be second, he won the Spurs their championship. Kobe has the benefit of Shaq to win him his titles, Kobe maybe slightly better than McGrady but Tracy is younger and has been carrying his team for a good long while now. Although Orlando did make some great additions to the team by adding Giricek and Gooden.

 

How many other teams had 2 or more players in the top 25?

 

Wow, I can agree with the top 25 almost. I have issue in what place some of them are. Its amazing how Yao Ming gets a placing in only his first year. It only shows us of what great things to expect in the future. Having two players in the top 25 isnt bad thing to have on your team.
As Steve and Yao mature they'll eventually become a double punch thatl'll knockout any opponent. Question is how long will it take?


Also I think Paul Pierce is a top 25 most definitely. The guy is a dream. Gots a Big 2 with a penentrating ability only found in a few.And can hit from anywhere. More importantly he plays big d.Next to Jason Kidd , thats one of the guys I'de want on my team. But thats my opinion!

 

I love Yao, he is the ROY in my mind, but I don't think he is top 25 yet. I'd say he might be top 30 though. I think in the future he will be top 10 easily.

 

He is the second best on the list now.

 

i bet i watch more nba games than you.