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You knew this was coming: Kiley Bechler vs. Cytodyne Technologies

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by A-Train, Feb 25, 2003.

  1. A-Train

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    If she does, then watch out Maxwell House.

    Speed Kills!! :eek:
     
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    Frivolous!!
     
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    I think the back of the bottle pretty much explains to not go in the heat too much... they should be covered.
     
  5. Refman

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    The problem as I see it (without having done any research) is that these supplements are not controlled by the FDA. Plainly put...we don't know what is in them nor in what quantity.

    Even still...Bechler was jogging in 78 degree weather. Not exactly what most people would consider "going into the heat."

    IMO this is a product with an inherently flawed design, and she may have a good suit.
     
  6. Rocket Fan

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    it has been said by a few people though that he took more than he was supposed to. . if that's true wouldnt that get them out of any blame?
     
  7. Mrs. JB

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    The asian herb which ephedra is derived from, ma huang, has been used safely, in moderation, for centuries. In fact, I take it on a regular basis for asthma symptons.

    However, in America we tend to have a "if one is good, five must be great"mentality, which makes us prone to unwise use of herbs, drugs, alcohol, etc... I assume this inability to self-regulate is going to lead to the eventual banning of ephedra/ma huang.

    I certainly don't want people to get hurt, but at the same time it's a bit of a pisser, because I'm going to have to resort to some circuitous overseas method to obtain my home asthma remedy.
     
  8. Refman

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    Mrs. JB hit upon an excellent point. Perhaps the answer to this dilemma is to have it available upon the advice of a medical professional...doctor...alternative medicine professional...what have you.

    The problem as I see it is that the companies putting this stuff out are packaging their products as a quick fix...need to lose a few pounds...just pop a few of these...no problem. They don't care who gets hurt...because P.T. Barnum said it best...there's one born every minute.

    Even if there was labelling warning against heat related activities, I doubt strongly that this product was contraindicated for use with caffeine. Bechler had 3 cups of coffee that day. If a drug company "forgot" to contraindicate their product properly, they would be liable.

    Why should this be any different?
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    Just so you people get a basis for this, ephadrine is functionally not distinguishable from psudoephadrine HcL, the active ingredient in Sudafed and other cold medacines. If Mr. Belcher's death were blamed on sudafed, how many people would be up in arms against cold medicine?

    The fact that it's some "unregulated drug" that "normal people" don't take makes it prime target for this type of public outcry. The fact is that it is a substance that is legal, that is common (it's in the diet suplement "Metabolife 356"), and has been used for thousands of years in the herbal remedy "Ma Huang".
     
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    Yeah, that's exactly the thing I'd like to avoid. I never go to the doctor's office and I can't afford to see an alternative practitioner every time I want to take an herb or dietary supplement.

    I consider myself an educated consumer -- I study the potential risks and benefits of any supplement I consider taking. The thought of having to beg some doctor for a prescription for some herb he's probably never even heard of is rather unpalatable to me.

    I am willing to make the concession on ephedra only because it has proven to be dangerous for people who generally haven't followed the directions. But I believe most other dietary supplements should remain available without a medical prescription.

    BTW, I'm guessing the Xenadrine bottle did have some pretty strong warnings on it. Hydroxycut (a weight-loss supplement with the exact same formulation as Xenadrine) has a warning label a mile long, including:

    "Improper use of this product includes ... use of this product in combination with aspirin, any anti-coagulant or any other ephedrine group alkaloid or caffeine or other ingedients that have a known stimulant effect."
     
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    This guy shouldn't have a case. Years ago when I was first trying to lose weight, I seriously considered taking this drug. This was when I was running twice a day, in the morning and in the evening. However I have reservations taking any drugs, prescription or over-the-counter. I hate the "popping pills" syndrome. However I was desperate to stop being a ******. So I did the research and read about the possible dangers of ephedra. So I decided to do it the right way, proper eating and exercise.

    He's a grown man. He should have done the background check before taking the drug. And don't give me the excuse "but he had to lose a lot of weight in a hurry, he was desperate and not thinking straight." Trust me, I've been there. But risking your life is not an excuse to lose weight fast.
     
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    This kind of thing is what products liability is all about. You must do the proper things before placing a product into the stream of commerce. The current state of affairs has the average person rolling up to the local GNC and buying some stuff that is potentially very dangerous.

    As to supplements in general...we are finding out shocking things about them all the time. A few years ago who knew that St. John's Wart could cause major problems for HIV positive patients? Now we know. And now we knoe that ephedra can cause a heart attack. drapg and Mrs. JB may have known a long time ago...but the average person does not do the research. Most people go through life believing that in this age of governmental regulation of everything...certainly they wouldn't allow a product that comes in what looks like a medicine bottle to be unsafe. It is not a good assumption to make, but many people do. It is VERY foreseeable that a person would assume that this product is safe. You take your plaintiff as you find him.

    As to sudafed...there HAVE been strokes in young women attributed to cold medicine. PPA is now a substance no longer in cold medicines because of it. Of course...those things are regulated by the FDA...not so with supplements.
     

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