Patrick Patterson vs. Thomas Robinson Tracking Thread

Actually the problem today was they didn't "live and die" enough by the three. Somehow, the Bucks actually attempted and made more threes than the Rockets which is totally unacceptable and below our standard. Of course the trade impacted our three point ability since we traded 3 players that all shoot threes and in returned got Robinson, who doesn't shoot threes at all, and increased Motiejunas minutes, who only attempted 2 threes against Milwaukee.

D-Mo needs to space the floor more and shoot more threes. The other shooters need to take more threes to make up for losing Patterson/Morris/Douglas.

 

I get it Carl... I miss 2pat and Morris too when in the game you can see how they would help. Not so much on TD though, but he was starting to grow on me.. He started to really play well at the end. I know PB will pick it up and out play him in the long run, it just takes a little time.

T-rob will take some time to get into the flow... Tonight D-mo did a great job and he is ready to start for the rest of the year for sure. D-mo looked nice all night and even real nice at times... He just needs minutes.

<<<< Happy.. Happy ..Happy

<<<< Sad.. Sadd.. sad about the lost tonight though

 

That's the problem.

If they play at a slower pace they usually lose. Most of the top teams can adjust. The Spurs can beat the rockets playing high paced offense...and will torture teams in a more plodding style.

Rockets just play at one speed and if a team can get them out of that speed then tonight happens.

This is why I feel that this trade will be better for this team even in the short term. I mean we just beat OKC and BKN, people just forget that already? D-Mo can spread the floor and he has a nice post up game. Robinson can hopefully turn into a nice garbage player the more familiar he becomes with the team.

The rockets need more versatility. Every night the threes won't fall and every night you won't feel like running up and down the court. Those nights like tonight you need tough wins, execution wins...I guess that's a coaching thing.

They also received a shooter in Garcia that they did not use at all.

 

you know him to well... But all he did was post the stats... the headline pissed people off...lol..

Carl is a master at dry wit and sarcasm... but sometimes he goes too far and you have to step on him:grin:

 

In other news, it's raining in Sydney, Australia, right now at 6:35pm.

 

Wasn't something like this mentioned when we first acquired 2pat?!

 

I agree... the dude as been here with the team for like 2 seconds and everyone wants Michael Jordan in his best year.

By the end of the year ( I say 4 weeks or so ) he will work out good. Next year with hard, work who knows?

 

Or at lest more than 8 minutes on a new team as an NBA Rookie, not knowing the system, play calls, team mates, and not sure if he is a go-to-guy or not.

I give T-Rob 7 bad games before I hate on this Viper days.

Go T Rob.. get you some son.

 

daywalker02 .. I have to say I am HIGH on this Ohlbrecht guy. Asik and this dude could be REAL killers on the court together. Ohlbrecht is the real deal he just needs a lot of polish to his game and the weight room. I think he has a good motor, can rebound, defend, has supper nice footwork, great hands to catch a pass and can pass, he could also learn to block shots like Deke in time, ( well maybe not like Deke but yall get it )


I like Ohlbrecht.. keep this guy.

 

Only way he'll be better than PPatt is if he turns into The Manimal himself, Kenneth Faried, because that's the only thing I can see him becoming at this point.

 

Scola was way better at 18 feet that 2pat even at his best... Scola was automatic.

I'm not putting down 2pat at all in this post just saying Scola was better at 18 feet and he was KING with his back to the basket. Long live the Ice Cream Man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJeIGNFVKI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72f1QLxVWSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB45IdkL6R4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QzPpXzSRm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWcoMGPsmt8

2pat was learning a lot from Scola when there were both here.. But you can test the waters of who has/or had game.

peace out.....

zzpot

 

TWill is working at the Boston Celtics...for now, anyway.

 

I found this one too... 1:24 min mark you hear the nick name I gave Scola... Ice cream man.. Thanks Bull, you got Bill to say it live on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daXvNty0N78&playnext=1&list=PLFB9369309161CAA3&feature=results_video


zzpot.:grin:

 

Flynn wishes he was. He doesn't have the education to do that.

So true. A lot of people are pointing at Robinson's age. They're completely ignoring his lack of size and skill.

Usually undersized Powerforwards who become key players on NBA playoff teams show they are higher skilled within their first season - they have solid jumpers, can score down low creatively, and have an overall more polished offensive arsenal than bigger powerforwards (Paul Millsapp, Carl Landry, Shawn Marion David West). The next level down, undersized Powerforwards who become consistent rotation players on playoff teams typically have 1 or 2 skills you would rate at an A- to B+ level at the NBA level that keeps them on the floor, and this too was clear when they were in the NCAA (Glen Davis - low post scoring, rebounding, Kenneth Faried - rebounding, Brandon Bass - mid-range jumper, Udonis Haslem - Rebounding, Defense).

Then you have the next level down of undersized Powerforwards. Backups who will give you a good 10-12 minutes on most teams, and have long careers being reliable role players. They usually have 1 skill you'd rate at a B or above-average NBA level, and aren't big enough liabilities elsewhere to make them net-negative when they're on the floor against a starter if another player is in foul trouble. You don't want them getting starter minutes but they're good in certain situations (DeJuan Blair - Rebounding, Chuck Hayes - Defense).

Think about these players during their rookie seasons, and even in the NCAA. Did any of them go from having a disappointing rookie season, and making a gigantic leap? What skill does Robinson have now where you would rank him at the least aB+ against other NBA powerforwards?

His ceiling right now, if he manages to play with the same endless energy and athleticism, is Kenneth Faried. He's not reaching the Landry/West/Millsap level.

 

Millsap didn't have much of a jumper when he first came in. And I don't think Landry did either. Doesn't mean I'm high on Robinson though.

 

Robinson will have to do better than Landry to justify the trade. If he becomes something like Millsap, it will be an okay trade. People are excited about the kid's potential. But potential of what? Millsap? We could get a Millsap type player without having to risk missing the playoffs.

 

Don't know about Millsap but Landry had a nice midrange jumper in college, Adelman mentioned this during his rookie year.

 

remember how much we hated MMorris last year?

and how after a year of DLeague and practice, he turned out to be a decent player and sometime starter.

let's be patient with TRob.

 

This is true and realize that this trade may take us out of the play-offs as well. When watching Houston play Milwaukee the defensive assignments looked really bad and this will be the biggest issue. Another issue willl be team rebounding for now. D-Mo will put forth the effort but its not an strength for him in the NBA as of now. T-Rob hopefully contributes here sooner than later. A side note Mc Hales line up choices are not helping our chances of getting into the play-offs either. I like small ball, but I like with rebounders better. T-Rob should play with D-Mo in small ball and we need to stop running Delfino and Parsons to the ground.

 

Morey probably has a chart for 2pat monitoring his cost versus production along with tracking his career trajectory and he saw 2pat may have peaked.


So in his quest for a star, he sought to roll the dice on another risk with a higher potential.