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Are Giant Pandas Worth Saving?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I've read some about the efforts to save the giant panda and it is really extraordinary. For one this seems like a species that even in the best of time doesn't really breed prolifically and many male pandas don't seem to have much interest in doing the nasty plus female panda's aren't great mothers to begin with often accidentally crushing their tiny offspring. That said the panda is the symbol of the conservation movement including the World Wildlife Fund logo and species like the panda are called "Charismatic Mega Fauna" in terms that they help to draw a lot of money to the conservation movement overall.

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    Are giant pandas worth saving?
    Who wouldn’t want to fly across the world and spend a week with giant pandas? They are undeniably cute. Everyone is obsessed with those black and white fuzzy faces. We celebrate when one is born at a zoo. We know their names. We’ll watch a YouTube video of them over and over again. This one, which shows a baby panda sneezing, has more than 150 million hits. I dare you not to click the link.

    For this story, we traveled to Chengdu, China, a city of 14 million people. It’s the capital of the Sichuan province in southwest China. Chengdu is known for spicy Sichuan chili dishes that make your tongue go numb, but also for being the hometown of the giant panda. Back in 1987, when it became apparent that pandas were seriously endangered in the wild, the Chinese created the Chengdu Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding. Starting with just six pandas from the wild, they’ve successfully bred more than 100 pandas.

    Here, female pandas are monitored constantly to pinpoint the one day of the year – or the few hours -- when they’ll be able to conceive. They are typically artificially inseminated. Test tubes of panda sperm are kept in vats of liquid nitrogen. Mothers stay with their babies for a while but they’re eventually put back on the breeding program so the cycle can start again.

    Sarah Bexell, an American who has worked at Chengdu for 13 years, says the lives of the staff revolve around the fertility cycle of the female pandas. “When our cubs are about to arrive, some of our staff live there 24-7,” she said.

    The cubs I saw on this visit were four months old and just learning to walk. Their fur was soft as silk.

    Too much for one species?

    The work done at Chengdu and other breeding centers costs millions of dollars a year. Experts believe more money is probably being spent to save the giant panda than any other species in the world.

    But is that a good idea?

    While this may sound like heresy to panda lovers, is it possible that we’re spending too much to save the giant panda?

    “I think we have to make tough choices,” British wildlife expert, Chris Packham, said. “I think that, ultimately, we have to be pragmatic as well as sentimental. You know, we can't allow our heart to rule our conservation head… And if we channel this much into just one species, then many others, which could be far better helped, many other not just species, but communities and ecosystems, could be better protected at the expense of one fluffy, cuddly bear.”

    Packham is in the minority here, but a growing number of scientists agree.

    Bexell and her colleagues at Chengdu’s breeding center are not among them. They firmly believe the panda is worth saving. And they worry that without the panda as a symbol for the conservation movement, people might not give any money to saving any species at all.

    “Where would that money go? Maybe people would go and buy a new iPod instead. You know, instead of throwing that money towards conservation,” Bexell said.

    Humans pushed giant pandas to the brink of extinction, Bexell said, and it is up to us to find a way to save them.

    “I think pandas are symbolic. We all love them. We all want to share the earth with them. And if we truly cannot save space for giant pandas, what does that say about us as a species? And how could we ever have hope for any of the others if we can't save the one that we profess to love the most?”
     
  2. kevC

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    BUT LOOK HOW CUTE!!!
     
  3. G Zus Kryst

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    deer karl pilkington (Do We Need 'Em?) .................pandaz r da best animal evah......u r da worst


    pandaz
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  4. underoverup

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    Pandas are really a dead end species, even without mankinds interference they wouldn't have lasted long. I believe they're known as an evolutionary dead end.
     
  5. underoverup

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    ^ i think i said dead end one time too many.... :eek:

    and by interference i mean habitat destruction and pollution.
     
  6. Pete the Cheat

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    I think that depends entirely on how good they taste fried.
    having never tasted one personally, I am unable to weigh in on this debate
     
  7. dharocks

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    It seems like the only way to really save the Pandas is to stop bamboo deforestation. Otherwise it's just postponing the inevitable. Is that a viable option/likely to happen?

    I don't know anything about the subject.
     
  8. Raven

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    This is a none issue because China considers the Panda a national treasure and valuable tool in diplomacy. Not to mention that Pandas earn huge amounts of money (and raises the profile) of any zoo fortunate enough to have one.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, they are.
     
  10. DonkeyMagic

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    Yes...How else am I going to get my Hulk Hogan provided fur?

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  11. Rocket River

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    The question is. . .what is their valuation
    Economic value?
    Value to the Eco system?
    etc

    Rocket River
     
  12. underoverup

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    I should have added further to my posts that I do support the breeding programs even if they would have gone extinct anyway.
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    Is anyone trying to save giant squids?
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    well at least judoka has stopped race baiting and gotten back to his Asia focus
     
  16. rimrocker

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    Depends on what you measure. For instance, I would wager more has been spent on maintaining and improving habitat for Northern Spotted Owls, Grizzlies, Pacific Salmon, and other species. Looking at just salmon in the state of Washington, the costs are expected to total $5.5 billion for habitat restoration from 2010-2019.

    http://www.rco.wa.gov/documents/gsro/SalmonRecoveryFundingReport2011.pdf

    I don't know if China is doing something similar for Panda habitat, but habitat preservation and improvement will almost always be exponentially higher than research/lab/breeding center work.
     
  17. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    You complain about other people calling you racist, but you are attacking another poster who you claim is race baiter?

    Survival of the fittest. You don't see crows dying out.
     
  18. rimrocker

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    FIFY...

    Brunnen mindestens Judoka hat das anlockende Rennen gestoppt und zurück an seinen Asien-Fokus gelangt.
     
  19. thisiscaketown

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    If you care about seeing pandas at the zoo, then yes. Otherwise, no.

    They're just the playthings of humans at the moment and in the foreseeable future, and they serve no real purpose in the ecosystem. Keeping them alive is like trying to keep a sinking ship afloat with the mass bamboo die-offs that occur regularly and the low reproduction rate of pandas.
     
  20. KingCheetah

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    Pandas are a part of Clutchfans lore so they should be saved, but my god what a r****ded animal. They're a 'bear' and they eat bamboo -- bamboo tastes like ****.
     

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