Why are we sacrificing everything for Yao?

I disagree. Francis may very well become the best PG in the league (or he will be labelled that), while Yao may never win that label. Not that Yao is not good enough, but Yao, from what we've seen, is not willing to demand shots and dominate.

Again, I think Yao is way more important than Francis. But will Yao ever take enough shots to be LABELLED (please, notice I used this word) the best C in the league?

Chances are, at some point, they will both be the best players at their respective positions. It might even come in the same year, which is why I think we can be champions. In 3 years, Yao and Francis will both be at LEAST #2 at their respective positions.

Wow, feels good to say it.

 

dont worry...people understand u, they just want to write something.

 

A no brainer question. The time when Shaq is down the hill doesn't mean Yao will be at his prime.

So, you answer me who will win the west? Are you thinking about Kobe? Idiot. Of course either the Kings or Dallas or Spurs will win if Shaq is really down the hill.

 

Cat and Steve are the self-appointed leaders on the team. They take the most shots and direct the offense - so when the Rockets are inconsistent, theyre going to get the blame.

And yes people do go overboard because there's no way we should trade Francis for anything less than another superstar player - and no that's not going to happen.

As far as Cat. He's a one-dimensional offensive player. He's a good scorer off the dribble. His defense is decent but not spectacular, he's passing is below average and he lacks the pure shooting ability this team desperately needs. Cat also is already 27, in his prime, with a very nice contract that makes him very good trade value.

If you are truly a Rockets fan you will realize that there are certain players that you absolutely need to acheive long-term success and others who are good players but may be expendable if the opportunity arrises.

The conclusion? Everyone except Yao Ming and Steve Francis should be expendable and yes that includes Cuttino Mobley.

 

Then what do you think are the causes of the problems? You really don't see Cuttino as one of them? What's your take?

 

our ploblem is not at the 1 2 or 5 spot.. its at the 3 and 4... they cannot hit the open shot more than 30%

and franchise and the cat are the leaders of the team because leadership is earned not given... these guys have earned the right to be a rocket... not everyone sees that like a true fan.
but at the same time if a blockbuster trade happened with the rockets i could live with losing the cat... but not our franchise or our dynasty

 

Our problem is Rudy not teaching the team how to play ball with sound fundamentals. Let's start with the pick and roll. Out of all the games this season, I've NEVER seen either Francis/Mobley/Norris wait for Yao/MoT/Griff/Cato to come and set the screen. They always just go and then they get trapped and at which point Mobley/Francis makes it a one on 2 or 3 dribbling clinic which usually ends in a bad shot or a turnover. This happens so many times it drives me absolutely crazy. I can't stand it when an NBA player doesn't even know how to run a pick and roll.

Next...Rudy says a lot of horsecrap about "we want to get Yao 30 touches a game and get him as involved in the offense as possible." etc... Hey rudy, how about a freaking backpick to get yao free? How about forcing francis to run the pick and roll the RIGHT way in order to get yao an easy 15 ft jumper?

Then comes the spacing...I don't think I've EVER seen a team with poorer spacing than the current Rockets team. It's the most horrible spacing ever so you can forget about good ball movement.

And another thing...is it just me or does it seem that Mobley NEVER passes the ball to Yao in the post? It's always francis/rice/posey/taylor/griffin/moochie...but NEVER Cat. He always decides to drive the ball and put up a wild shot instead of feeding Yao and then making a hard cut and getting a much easier shot when Yao passes it back.

I have soooo much anger/frustration with this team...even if we beat the celtics tonight.

 

Yao will be a 30pts, 20rbs 4blks and 5asts guy in 3 years time.

Mark my words!

 

you do have a good point.. but i was kinda talking about thing we could do for the rest of the short season... if it was the off season i could see bumping up rudy t and getting someone fresh that knows the new defenses out there... but if we canned rudy right now it would do more harm than good IMO

 

Btw, if Francis can really do this consistently, especially for 7 ASSISTS and REBOUNDS, we can be the 6th seed this year.

 

In Yao's last 14 games he has averaged close to 17pts and 10rbn, so unless Yao has 'peaked', his prime should be higher than 18pts and 12rb that you predicted.

But please don't turn this into another Lakers' BBS where they constently argues about who is better between Shaq and Kobe.

Yao and Francis are both great, Yao is a rookie, so give them time to learn how to play together. We are not a championship contender yet, so that's cut them so slack at least for this year. Go Rocks!

-G'day-

 

That's right Hotballa! If these "old timer" jealous about the new influx of the 'Mad Yao Disease" fan, flooding the BBS, then TRADE Yao Ming to another team. I bet, 2/3 of the newbie here will flood the other team chat room and CluthCity net save

He...He...I love Yao Ming, and I tune in to watch the Rocket and reading the cool stuff on this forum because of Yao. Heck! Before 2003, I don't even know any Roxs' players except Rudy T and Hakeem, but thanks to Yao, I now know every Roxs' players on this team. At first I only care if Yao doing well or not and give a **** about the Roxs other low BB IQ players. But now, as the season moved on, I began to cheer more for the Roxs as a team and get upset at Yao if he not doing enough to help the team win (ie. get better position, quick pass out of double/tripple team etc.) go figure! Watching Yao and the Roxs develop in front of your eyes is truly exciting, I luv this game and glad that i'm part of something BIG

 

That's pretty stupid, Steve Francis has always been known as a force in basketball. I don't think he gets enough props as a player. He's really a badass and second only to Kobe Bryant really. That's a huge statement, and in their first/second meeting with the lakers he did a good job messing with Kobe's game.

Yao is still a rookie, he does rookie stuff sometimes like turn the ball over and make some choices less experienced players make. People are hard on him too when he doesn't perform as expected. I still feel he's something special, he's no shawn bradley and I don't even think he's a rik smits. You just can't compare rookie stats with those players yet and make a decision I think he's MUCH better than we can even imagine. We saw glimpses of greatness, he does have the strength to be unstoppable if he learns to utilize it.

 

I just love this forum. You praise a play for a good game you get labelled a lover. You criticize a player for boneheaded mistakes you get labelled a hater, or another player's lover. Stupid me, and here I thought this was the Houston Rockets instead of Stever's team or Cat's team or Yao's team + scrubs.

Thank god Yao is humble, otherwise we'd end up with a Shaq Kobe dilemma, maybe worse, considering you have to add Cat to the mix and Rudy is no Phil Jackson that can get the team to play together.

You use Yao cuz he's unselfish and willing to dish out of a double team. You use Steve cuz he can slash and penetrate. You use Cat cuz he can hit open jumpers when Yao dishes out. You think I give a damn about who has better stats if I see more banners hanging from the laptop or whatever the new arena is called?

 

Old timers contribute to the tip jar.

Just a guess here, but I assume that Yao only fans do not.

In fact, maybe someone can clarify, but didn't Clutch have a joke sig line for a while that said "Trade Yao"? Makes you wonder what his motivation was eh?

I am sure Clutchcity would somehow survive if 2/3 of the newbie/Yao only fans went and flooded another board.

 

Uh, maybe it's because Yao is 7'5", has skills, and in his rookie season is already showing signs of greatness?

I actually wanted to pretend I didn't read this and just move on, but I had to reply. Like I said before, here we are with probably one of the most coveted draft picks since... I don't know... Larry Bird or Magic Johnson. Last year we all would have given up anything to get a post player like Yao who can shoot and block like he does. Yet, somehow, we still find a way to complain. Complain complain complain.

How about this... Instead of crying about BANDWAGON FANS, as you have, welcome the new fans and quit CRYING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. Seesh.

 

Axeman, Mobes05 has a severe case of advanced Reverse Mad Yao Disease. This is his way of venting.

 

probably for the same reason that there are no lakes in la or any jazz in utah. (unless you count that wacky new morman acid jazz that all the kids are listening to-all my wives like it!)

 

no one was seriously talking CHAMPIONSHIP before yao came here. many would agree that yao is a guy who will eventually win a ring. much like when shaq came into the league. everyone knew that he would eventually get his and he did. i dont remember anyone ever saying that about francis. he is great, but not the kind of player who will win titles. its all about the big man. like hakeem said, "you must respect the post." when we do win it all, it will be ming who brings us there.

and im almost certain that he will do better than to top out at 18 ppg. no one knows for sure, but why could he not be a 25-30 ppg and 12-15 rpg guy in a couple years.

and francis will never be regarded as the best pg in the league. hes a great player, but not a great pg.
i bet that in 2 years ming will be the best center in the league, no argument.