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Amare a 'top 20 player'???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hpscc, Feb 23, 2003.

  1. lovethisgametoo

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    Stou and KG are playing against each other at this moment. Tune in and see.......
     
  2. rocketfan83

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    maybe just maybe you would want to consider that the suns were perfectly healthy last year penny marbury marion all 80+ games and they still sucked. while francis was hurt a good portion of the season Mo missed the whole year they sucked like expected. I think the fact they have mo and their best player back healthy this year is something you might want to consider.
     
  3. rocketfan83

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    whatever dude lets see a african american center next year come out and average 13 and 8 and well see if hes has a superbowl commerical. than ill agree with you.
     
  4. munco

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    The media is reporting on him because the fans want info on him. Being Chinese is one of the reasons for his popularity, but it's far from the only one. Personality is a large reason why players are popular. Michael Jordan was an amazing player, but a huge reason he was so popular was because of his personality.

    I'm sold on Yao's personality because when he speaks he's witty, humble, yet we still don't know a ton about him. He's also said some of the funniest things I've heard this year. Not many players in the league are either funny or humble and few are both. As a fan of hoops it's refreshing to see. Yao deserves the attention because that's what people want. The fans love him, so why shouldn't he have commercials and be in magazines. If people weren't buying the magazines or watching him on TV he wouldn't be on. It's not about him being the 35th best player or whatever in the league and not deserving the press. He gets the press because people want to see him.

     
  5. superbenben

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    yao is rare, gentle, from china like a giant panda, amare no comparison
     
  6. munco

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    if the guy is projected to be the biggest flop in NBA history and is
    7'5", funny, charming, mysterious, and has skills never seen on a 7'5" guy, I think he'll get a whole lot of press regardless of he's white, black, asian, etc.

     
  7. sun12

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    Are you sure Penny was perfectly healthy last year? He never played 80 games a season anymore. Anyway, Phoenix improved by 4 games. Suppose Francis was not hurt last year, Mo did not miss the whole year, how good would that Houston team be? a playoff team ? What kind of opponents field goal percentage do you think Houston would have ranked in the league this year and compared it with last year? Any idea?

    check here:
    this season: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=tmcompare&season=2003&seasontype=2
    Houston's OPP FG Pct is 0.427 ranked #5
    Phonix's OPP FG Pct is 0.439 ranked #16

    Last season:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=tmcompare&season=2002&seasontype=2
    Houston's OPP FG Pct is 0.464 ranked #28
    Phoenix's OPP FG Pct is 0.444 ranked #12

    People want to talk about impact. What impact? I suppose both Mo and Steve's defense have improved tremendously that both of them should be in NBA most improved defensive players?
     
  8. gotoloveit2

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    When was the last time, Dirk, Duncan or Payton said something funny. Putting them all together next to Yao, I guess Yao still literally standing OUT. There is a song just made for Yao too, in case you dont know. I guess that has to do with him being Chinese. Let face it, Yao is a very interesting guy, being the first #1 pick foreign player. A very tall Chinese. All the hypes and bashings that he had received. And the amazing person that he turns out to be. So dont complain, and dont play the race card here.
     
  9. finalsbound

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    I'm black, and I grew up in urban Washington DC.

    Of course it's racial bias. Everybody on here knows it, but they're afraid to say it. If you've ever played on a blacktop in the inner city, you'll see that non-blacks are always the inferior racially when it comes to basketball. It's unfortunate, it's not fair, but that's the mindset of a lot of guys.

    Yao Ming is disrespected a lot by the other players in the game. It's because he's Chinese and damn good, and other players feel threatened by his popularity.

    Of course, not everyone is like that. I think Allen Iverson gives him the respect he deserves, doing nothing but raving about him when asked.

    I really do believe Shaq and Kobe are jealous.

    And when the ROY race ends, I think Stoudemire and Yao will share it. It's the most PC thing to do.
     
  10. evild3ad

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    Remember how all the blacks started booing Yao when he got the first round draft pick. It's the same attitude now, it's a little bit of reverse racism with blacks picking on the asian player now. It's kind of pathetic actually and reeks of hypocrisy coming from black sports stars. I mean, back then blacks played the victim when their people were persecuted by whites now they turn around and become the oppressor.

    Straight up hypocrisy.
     
  11. SoSoDef76

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    I think there is a good argument for both sides for ROY. I hope people don't just consider stats, but also contributions not in the boxscore. It depends on what you look at. Although I'd give my biased vote for Yao too, Amare is physically dominating more PFs consistently than Yao is physically dominating other centers. I think this is why Shaq is giving Amare the vote now. Shaq is quoted on Raptors.com as saying:

    “I’ve seen the future of the NBA and his name is Amare Stoudemire. Don’t get me wrong Yao is good. Damn good. But Stoudemire is already dominating more guys who have been in the league for several years and he’s going to get much better. Mark this down; that guy is going to be scary,” warns Shaquille O’Neal.

    Yao has a better overall game. Right now Amare lacks a lot of skills that the better PFs in the NBA possess. Yao lacks aggressiveness and bulk. I'm not sure Amare will ever have the skills of a Karl Malone or a C-Webb. But I don't have any doubt Yao will increase his aggressiveness and gain some bulk in the near future.

    Oh, and another quote from Raptors.com that I'm sure you all will feast on:

    "So although Yao is the most captivating rookie, merely for his unbelievable length and touch, Stoudemire will most likely take home the Rookie of the Year come spring, not only for his impressive numbers, but more so for his profound affect on the team around him."

    http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/gamestory_030221.html
     
  12. gotoloveit2

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    By the way, sellig commercials has all to do with sellling products. When was the last time Chinese are considered to be good for promoting products. How many Chinese actors did you see selling products on TV, probably the only one exception is the internet.
     
  13. evild3ad

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    That raptor quote is total biased nonsense. I think there's been some Yao backlash by players and a few teams because of all the attention he's getting. People want to knock him down because he's been built up the way he has. Unfortunately a lot of star players are jealous of him because of it. Notice how few touches he got in the all star game. I think he got exactly one pass and that was from mainly steve francis. It's pathetic really. The argument that Amare has "helped" his team more doesn't fly with me either. The Suns have always been a pretty good team and usually always made the playoffs. Amare barely changed their game because the Suns have two stars Marion and Marbury propping up 90% of the team. I'd like to see if Amare would still have the same impact in a lesser team like the clippers or grizzlies. I'm guessing the answer would be NO. He gets the touches he gets because he has 2 stars on the Suns giving him the looks and plays.
     
  14. munco

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    I think it's a dead heat between Yao and Amare right now. I think at this point ROY could go either way. There's still a good deal of basketball to be played. In February, it seemed that people are favoring Amare to win the award. In January it was all about Yao. Let's see what happens in March.
     
  15. sun12

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    Right, Phoenix defense in OPP FG Pct declined from #12 to #16. Its OWN FG Pct declined from #13 to #21. It is indeed a very profound impact.
     
  16. Ghettostar85

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    isn´t the nba coaches that decide which player that is the rookie of the year? if so I think mosto f the coaches is going to take yao
     
  17. snowmt

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    Don't get me wrong. Suns w/o Amare is a better
    team than Rox w/o Yao. They have two all-stars
    and more veteran players.

    StarBury = Francis
    Marion > Mobley
    Outlaw = old Cato
    JJ = Eddie/MoT

    What's else?


     
  18. Texas Stoke

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    yeah man, its just cause the guy is chinese....so what if Yao is a giant who stands 7'6 and weighs over 300lbs...thats not interesting and fascinating. sure, whatever, man. :rolleyes:
     
  19. rocketfan83

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    good points
     
  20. Bailey

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    LOL :D
     

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