If Patterson continues to play consistently, would you still want him gone for pick/prospect?

He needs to rebound more. He should be grabbing 1 rebound for every 4 minutes of play.

 

did it occur to anyone that asik has one of the highest rebounding rates in the nba, and patrick patterson is one of the most efficient scorers in transition?

 

Patterson playing next to a rebounding machine like Asik is quite effective. His midrange game is money. His 3pt shooting is good enough to keep the defense honest. He's decent finishing around the rim. He's a good positional interior defender.

In short, he's a good role player with a weakness (rebounding) that is not our problem. I'd keep him unless it's a significant upgrade, i.e. a star caliber player.

Morris, on the other hand, is somewhat disappointing. It is now clear that he is a classical case of tweener. He has the abilities to play both PF and SF, but neither position maximizes all of his skills. He is nothing more than a decent backup at this point.

 

Pull your heads out from the obsession with individual stats for a second and realize that the rockets are in the top 5 in defensive rebounding rate and around the top 10 in overall rebounding rate as a TEAM.

To me, that's all that matters -- how we rebound as a team, since rebounds are certainly finite/zero-sum it really doesn't matter who gets them as long as someone on our team does.

now all of the quibbles about Patterson's rebounding deficiency would actually be warranted if the Rockets were continually getting out-rebounded by their opponents, but we're not.

You couple that with the fact that Patterson is one of the best scorers at PF in transition, the entire picture starts becoming a lot more clear.

Do you want him to box out and compete for the rebound against one of the best in the business or leak out for the fast break where he is near the top of his class. Can't have both.

 

I keep thinking what if we had Carl Landry and kept Morris riding the pine. We'd be securely in 5th - 6th seed imo.

 

Did you see Landry yesterday? He got owned by ****ing Cole Aldrich.

 

Patrick Patterson. Good offensive player when someone is there to get him wide open shot. Bad rebounder even with Dalembert and fossil of Camby as his centers. Worst defensive rating among our rotation.

What's not to love?

 

i like patterson and i think he has not reached his full potential, i wouldnt mind him sticking around. i think pat had that injury which slowed him down for the past season, but now it looks like hes getting his rookie season swag back. although if the time comes where we need him to be in a deal in order to acquire a superstar, then i would have no problem with it.

 

People were talking earlier about getting LaMarcus Adridge....you know what....Patterson is as good as Adridge right now. So forget about getting Adridge.

 

Pattersons averages 7.3 rebounds per 36 minutes with Asik OFF the court. That would put him about 90th in the league.

 

This. Rebounding is zero-sum.

I still remember Yao vs Howard, and Yao outrebounds Howard most of the time. Yao still just avearges around 10 rebs against Howard. It's just that yao puts his body on Howard so that Howard gets far less rebounds than his average.

 

1. Lowry/Dragic. I understand Lowry's relationship with McHale was a lost cause, but if we couldn't keep Dragic I would've been happier with letting McHale go. I still feel the PG situation was handled horribly last year

2. Carl Landry.

 

While I agree that PPat has more to give, he is unlikely to become a rebounding machine.

Odds are that any of the other FIVE PF's guys we have can be as good or significantly better. I say get Donatas some time now rather than wait. McHale can sit Patterson just as well as Smith since they have both underachieved. Donatas may get in foul trouble but let's find out now. Unless Morey is letting these guys keep their trade value by NOT playing them?

 

should've taken Faried over Morris last year

 

Dmo is definitly better than Aldrich on both end for sure.

 

If we didn't trade Landry/Lowry we wouldn't have Harden.

And Dragic wanted a PO, which he wasn't getting from Murray.

 

Ppat is a young and poorer version of Lamarcus Aldridge. This guy will be improving in years to come. I think you should keep this guy. He can do some okay post moves, automatic from the mid range, and can hit the 3. Perfect for this run and gun.

 

I've been pretty critical of Patterson, but I'm coming around. He does what he's asked to do, which is spread the floor and get back on defense. This limits his ability to get rebounds and draw fouls. I really don't see enough difference in him and Millsap to warrant a moved like that. I do think he and Morris are pretty redundant, though. I'd like to see Morris moved and DMo take those minutes. He is so much more skilled in the post than anyone on the team, they need a player like that to keep teams honest.

 

Patrick Patterson is neither the problem nor the solution for our current situation. He is a very good player who has no chance to develop his game to start our super star level. He has one year left on his rookie deal before somebody gives him a nice raise. His trade value will never be higher than it is right now. Once he enters next season, his trade value will deflate as teams will not want to take the risk if re-signing him.

If we can get another start level player and a ' 13 first round draft pick for some combination if him, Morris, and Greg Smith, we should trade him. He is worth more than a couple second rounders however.