If Patterson continues to play consistently, would you still want him gone for pick/prospect?

He has improved, he's still not good.

 

Also, to get an idea of how easily Houston can replicate the value/production/efficiency of Patrick Patterson, let's take a look at some players who are deemed comparable to (if not superior than) Patterson, from an advanced statistics standpoint:

Zaza Pachulia
Boris Diaw
Trevor Booker
Matt Bonner
Chris Singleton
Marreese Speights
Lance Thomas
Ronny Turiaf
Chuck Hayes
Jason Maxiell
Dante Cunningham
Reggie Williams

These sorts of players are always available on the free agent market for cheap (veteran's minimum or close to it), or can be easily acquired from another team for next to nothing, or can be found in the second round of a draft. Why wouldn't you trade Patrick Patterson for a lottery-protected first round pick, then, if somebody was dumb enough to give you a lottery-protected first round pick for him?

And Patterson is quite a bit more effective than Marcus Morris, who can be easily replaced in the rotation with either Donatas Motiejunas or Terrence Jones, hell, maybe even Royce White, and the team would not skip a beat. If someone is willing to give you what you anticipate will eventually be a relatively high second round pick (#31-#40 overall), why would you not trade Morris for that pick?

My preference would be to trade Patterson, Morris, and Aldrich for either Marcin Gortat or Ersan Ilyasova. Gortat or Ilyasova replaces Patterson in the starting lineup, Motiejunas or Jones (probably Motiejunas) replaces Morris in the rotation, Greg Smith returns from the developmental league to replace Aldrich in the rotation. Patterson and Morris (in 2013-14) combine to make just $2.5 mil less than Gortat and just $2.7 mil less than Ilyasova. That means that, by making either trade, the impact on your available 2013 cap space is pretty minimal. Plus you have replaced two not particularly valuable assets (Patterson and Morris) with a much more valuable asset (Gortat or Ilyasova), PLUS, your team gets noticeably better by replacing Patterson in the starting lineup with either Gortat or Ilyasova. The same argument is true if you trade Patterson, Morris, and Aldrich for Paul Millsap, although that is assuming that you believe you can re-sign Millsap to a team-friendly deal (e.g., four years, $36 mil) rather than a not-so-team-friendly deal (in the event that other suitors emerge and drive up his price). My guess is that Morey would prefer either Gortat or Ilyasova due to the risks involved in trading for Millsap.

 

Trading Pat right now would be a mistake. We don't have another 4 on our roster that can replace what we'd be losing. It would be a huge blow to our playoff chances, and I strongly believe we need to make the playoffs this year.

If we are gonna trade a 4 on our roster, it should be Morris.

 

You just like players with funky names, admit it.

 

"If Patterson continues to play consistently"...?

When has he EVER been consistent in his career? 3 games does not equal consistency...

 

Exactly: he does both well. Every successful teams needs people like PPat. And I am sure he has not hit his ceiling either.

 

Of course, another option would be to hold on to Patterson for the rest of the season and to trade him on or before the draft (for a late first round pick) or in July (for a future lottery-protected first round pick). I still say that there is a pretty slim chance that Patterson is going to be on the roster in 2014-15, so the rational move is to trade him somehow, either for a pick or in a quantity-for-quality deal for a better PF. Although you may well be right, and Houston may well just hold on to the guy for the rest of the season.

 

If we didn't trade Landry, then we wouldn't have Harden.

Still, I would try to get Landry back. He's having as good a season now in Golden State as his last season for us. Is a beast in the post and pick and roll.

 

Harden and Parsons are averaging more rebounds, albeit with more minutes. Still, the rebounds are there for the taking. There's no reason that PPat shouldn't be averaging more like 6-7 rebs per game, if he were more aggressive of the defensive end, especially in the paint.

 

No, he's reached his ceiling. Let him go, we need to see what guys with actual potential to be All Star caliber players can do.

 

I think Lin is a good player, he's been improving, but my thought that he doesn't fit well with this team still remains. I think he would be better off on a team to where he gets to do what he wants with the ball and be the key to the offense.

 

Didn't we get Lowry for Landry, which in turn got us James Harden?

 

Trade him while his value is high. Get your Milsapp.

 

We got Lowry for Rafer Alston. We got Toronto's pick for Lowry. We got James Harden with Toronto's pick.

Landry was drafted by us (technically traded to us, we traded a future second rounder for Landry, who is a second rounder). We used Landry to acquire Kevin Martin, and Kevin Martin was part of the package to acquire Harden.

 

Sounds like something a person who doesn't watch Rockets games would say based off of the notion that Harden and Lin both need the ball to be effective.

 

So, what prospect will be available if we want to trade our 24 year old veteran PF? I mean 24 is really old and all the championship caliber teams who are a solid PF away would definitely give up a prospect or two for Patrick. Yeah, that's not happening.

C'mon. He's in his third year. Well liked by his teammates and the Rockets aren't going to get the star potential prospect for Patrick. And if he becomes the consistent PF playing for another team, he'd be the PF that a lot of people wished was on this team.

 

Patrick Patterson is a leader in the locker room....he's huge for our offensive set...his style of play fits the ethos of our offense to a tee....pick and roll is huge and his mid range jumper is almost automatic....

trading him would diminish our chances of making the playoffs greatly...

keep patrick patterson and package Morris w/ somebody....our entire future bench is either in the d league or not playing (D Mo, T Jones, Royce White) these will be our three men off of the bench in addition to Toney Douglas.....everyone else not named is expendable....

 

should use him as a trade piece to get a more dominant 4

 

Sure we do. Morris does about the same thing. IF we did trade Pat it would also presumably before for a big man that could replace what he does.

 

I think DMo will be a lot better than PPat over the course of his career, and while PPat is a great complimentary player, he is what he is, a very nice average piece.

To me, I would rather shoot for the stars - as you can always find players with PPat's abilities - so even if Dmo never panned, out, at least you roll the dice on him, IMO.

DD